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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - July 2014
Date of the NIP: - 0 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 0 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A40 Pencraig
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - I was done for doing 64mph and the claim was that I did this in a 50 zone. When I was stopped (unmarked car with gun inside car) I was back in a 70 zone and when I drove the route again I was surprised that I wasn't stopped either inside the 50 zone or there was another place to stop just outside it back in the 70 zone but I was stopped quite a bit futher up the road.

Which got me thinking, should they need to provide evidence that I was inside the 50 zone ? All I seen was the speed on the gun. It is recorded as 64 / 464 on the document I received from the police.

I have given the officer my details and signed the form but did not say anything about accepting the speed.

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:56:30 +0000
If you choose to take the matter to court, the officer will give evidence as to where he recorded you exceeding the limit.

Where he actually stopped you is not relevant.
The Rookie
What sort of evidence do you expect?
I just found it strange they took so long to stop me despite there being a few places to stop me before they did. I only realised this when I drove the road the following week. Also, how accurate is having a speed gun inside the vehicle ?
He was probably running checks and waiting to receive the information from said checks to expedite the stop and avoid you having to wait around longer.

As for accuracy - it would be just as accurate inside the car as anywhere else.
Sounds like its not worth pursuing and take the fine and points.
Pete D
He has to use the gun through an open window if he is inside the car. It is not authorized to use it through glass. The number after the speed is the range. Pete D
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