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h3lp
Hi All,

I popped along to Exmouth beach this afternoon. While I was "unloading" the kids, dogs, buckets and spades to the beach, I was issued a PCN.

Can anyone spot any technical flaws with the PCN / signage etc before I pay?

Cheers!

http://postimg.org/gallery/53qmv37u/

Sorry image of front of PCN isnt very clear. Here it is again :

http://postimg.org/image/52a31uxnt/

Also my car isnt black!!! It's a very dark grey!!!! see you in court!
hcandersen
You were observed for 6 minutes and were probably parked for longer.
The PCN states that you were in a P&D parking bay.
Why did you think that parking without paying was permitted? Once you'd unloaded the family and their kit, were you planning to move? If so, to where and when?
It might be that procedural issues arise, it might even be that alighting/unloading in this bay are exempt activities. But 6 minutes?
Did the CEO approach or speak to you?
h3lp
I didn't realise it was Pay and Display until I saw the PCN. I should have looked and I don't have a problem with paying the PCN, I was just wondering if there was a technical flaw with the signage or PCN wording.
Enceladus
Google Street View link to the location where you parked?
Bogsy
Having taken a look at their online traffic regulation order I suggest you inform them that you parked to enable alighting with personal luggage as permitted under section 100 of the regulating order.

http://www.devon.gov.uk/trafficorderssearc...p&url=22252

100 Nothing in articles 3, 4, 5, 18, 19, 24, 26, 28, 31, 32 and 41 make it unlawful to cause or permit a
vehicle to wait or park in a restricted road for so long as may be necessary to enable
a) a person to get in to or out of the vehicle, or to load or unload personal luggage


As the personal luggage was substantial it required several trips to complete. The distance to the required destination and return exceeded 6 minutes but nonetheless the time taken was only as long as necessary to complete unloading the luggage.

With your appeal send written statements from each of those that alighted confirming that they alighted and personal luggage was being unloaded to a secure destination.
h3lp
Thanks for the replies.

The street view is

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.609624,-3...luea98A!2e0

I was pretty much in between those two Picassos.

If I appeal based on an unloading exemption, do I still get the discounted rate once an informal appeal decision is made?

Also, on a similar topic, is it always permitted for vehicles to unload in Pay and Display bays? I do a lot of commercial work in my van in town centres and when a loading bay is already occupied, I end up unloading from a P&D bay instead. I always assumed this is allowed, but I've had a few CEOs tell me it's not. Who's right?
hcandersen
See the back of the PCN which says that the authority will usually re-offer the discount if an unsuccessful challenge is submitted within the initial discount period.
DancingDad
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I do a lot of commercial work in my van in town centres and when a loading bay is already occupied, I end up unloading from a P&D bay instead. I always assumed this is allowed, but I've had a few CEOs tell me it's not. Who's right?


Depends on the TRO for the bays in question.
What will be certain is that loading is allowed on any yellow line as long as no kerb blips present. You may be better to avoid bays (except loading bays) and stop on yellows to unload.
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