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charlieandbensdaddy
Hi everyone.

I was given a PCN last week for parking in a disabled bay in a car park in maidenhead. I did not believe it was a disabled bay as the yellow lines marking the bay had been painted over in white, the bay was the same width as all of the standard bays and there were no signs. Other bays in the same car park are marked in yellow and have individual signs.

I have appealed but it was rejected and I am not sure if I should take it further and lose out on the chance of paying the lower amount?

I have attached links to pics below. Just to clarify, I was in the empty bay. The car on the right had a ticket but the one inthe middle did not.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers, Charlieandbensdaddy.

http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/C...zps2a49e7a2.jpg
http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/C...zps2cec053f.jpg
http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/C...zps4ad93c03.gif
http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/C...zpsde73df34.gif
EDW
Get the traffic order from the council
charlieandbensdaddy
I have a copy of the order but what am I looking for?
hcandersen
I don't know what point you're making here.

None of the pics seems to show your car and its bay, so how can we tell whether it was marked as required?
Neil B
Can you explain pic 1 please.

Are you one of those vehicles?
charlieandbensdaddy
I was parked in the empty bay shown in the first picture.
Neil B
QUOTE (charlieandbensdaddy @ Tue, 11 Feb 2014 - 14:58) *
I was parked in the empty bay shown in the first picture.


Ah, yes, sorry, I now see you did say in your first post.

Personally I think you're flogging a dead horse but maybe others will think differently.

Can't think why the car in the middle didn't have a PCN - that one deserved a public flogging IMO.
Bluedart
QUOTE (charlieandbensdaddy @ Tue, 11 Feb 2014 - 13:54) *
Hi everyone.

I was given a PCN last week for parking in a disabled bay in a car park in maidenhead. I did not believe it was a disabled bay as the yellow lines marking the bay had been painted over in white, the bay was the same width as all of the standard bays and there were no signs. Other bays in the same car park are marked in yellow and have individual signs.

I have appealed but it was rejected and I am not sure if I should take it further and lose out on the chance of paying the lower amount?

I have attached links to pics below. Just to clarify, I was in the empty bay. The car on the right had a ticket but the one inthe middle did not.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers, Charlieandbensdaddy.

http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/C...zps2a49e7a2.jpg
http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/C...zps2cec053f.jpg
http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/C...zps4ad93c03.gif
http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/C...zpsde73df34.gif


Is this a piss take or what?
charlieandbensdaddy
No it's not a piss take...

This is what the properly marked out bays in the same car park look like.

http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/C...zpsf4ba8366.gif

I made a genuine mistake parking in a bay which I thought had been returned to general use, and I oviously wasn't the only one.
hcandersen
It's the instructions on the tariff board which will be the clue here. What do they state?

They must convey the restriction in the order which regulates the car park.

Were you displaying a P&D ticket?
Bluedart
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QUOTE (charlieandbensdaddy @ Tue, 11 Feb 2014 - 16:21) *

No it's not a piss take...

This is what the properly marked out bays in the same car park look like.

http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/C...zpsf4ba8366.gif

I made a genuine mistake parking in a bay which I thought had been returned to general use, and I oviously wasn't the only one.

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I made a genuine mistake parking in a bay which I thought had been returned to general use, and I oviously wasn't the only one.


Well I oviously think you are right and the bay's have been returned to general use. The markings within the now painted white bay's are nowhere correctly aligned. In one of the photo's, you can see the hatched yellow marking underneath the car, but the car is parked within the white lines. Where are the markings to show it is a disabled bay?
hcandersen
At present, we don't know what markings indicate that a bay is restricted to specified users. The OP might be right in that the instructions for this car park state that a restricted bay is indicated by yellow lines and the disabled logo. But it might be that the indication is just the logo, in which case this seems pretty clear.

Bluedart
QUOTE (hcandersen @ Tue, 11 Feb 2014 - 17:13) *
At present, we don't know what markings indicate that a bay is restricted to specified users. The OP might be right in that the instructions for this car park state that a restricted bay is indicated by yellow lines and the disabled logo. But it might be that the indication is just the logo, in which case this seems pretty clear.


That's not right. One can clearly see what is intended with the white lines, trouble is, they have forgotten to scrub out the disabled bay markings.
You can't park in a bay with a yellow hatch marking underneath it, and if you parked beside of the hatch, you would not be parked within the confines of the marked bay.

Maybe that is why a TRO for that car park is required.
hcandersen
Possibly is all I can say, until someone posts the instructions on the tariff board.
charlieandbensdaddy
QUOTE (hcandersen @ Tue, 11 Feb 2014 - 16:51) *
It's the instructions on the tariff board which will be the clue here. What do they state?

They must convey the restriction in the order which regulates the car park.

Were you displaying a P&D ticket?



I will have to get a pic of the board at the weekend and check.

I still have the P&D ticket.
charlieandbensdaddy
Thank you all for the help so far.


I have found the contravention sign on Google maps, its not the best quality but you can just about make out what it says:

http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/C...zps2f7b8bee.gif

I have also found the Traffic Order for off street parking. Neither states how a Disabled bay should be marked out, so I guess it is totally subjective?
Bluedart
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QUOTE (charlieandbensdaddy @ Wed, 12 Feb 2014 - 08:52) *

Thank you all for the help so far.


I have found the contravention sign on Google maps, its not the best quality but you can just about make out what it says:

http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/C...zps2f7b8bee.gif

I have also found the Traffic Order for off street parking. Neither states how a Disabled bay should be marked out, so I guess it is totally subjective?

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Neither states how a Disabled bay should be marked out
You have to look in other manuals for that information.

Read this:-
http://www.safeoptions.co.uk/buyers-guide/...ngs-signage.htm

You will see that the width of the bay where the cars are parked, nowhere near reach those dimensions.
charlieandbensdaddy
Thanks Bluedart, have found a copy of the Building Regs 2010:

http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w526/C...zps66549360.gif

Looks pretty clear, e-mailed the council asking for clarification and await their response.

Here's hoping....
charlieandbensdaddy
Thanks to everyone who helped me.

I have just recieved notification that my PCN has now been cancelled.

Cheers, Cherlieandbensdaddy.

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SchoolRunMum
Well done - you should follow it up with a specific complaint (and even consider an article in the local paper to spread the word, I expect they might be interested in this as lots of people will have been caught or confused by those bays). When you look at your second picture in your OP you can see that the very old disabled logos have been 'blacked over' at some point (you can see the shadow of the black paint) but that's all worn off and now the CEOs are issuing unwarranted PCNs at those normal bays!

Got to be worth a specific complaint to insist that those misleading logos are immediately recovered in black paint and to ask if the Council will now refund PCNs issued there...!
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