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alfdog
help!
my partner has been under a lot of worry latley , mother not well and having to help out with her 24/7 care , no excuse but in his job hes been going down the rd thats should be 40mph to him but the road limit is 50mph as in hgv lorry
his speeding is at the moment 1@47, 1@50 mph and theres two more comming , under 50mph ,we have sent those back addmitting hes the driver,the delay caused has meant a month before he realised he was on dangerous ground ,first going to the lease company then to company then to him .
we know and hes gutted that that this will amount to 9 points on his licence after taking an option of a speed awareness course and then he will loose his job because his company who value him will not be able to keep him on with thier insurance.is there anyway you can limit the damage of the points, when in court ,or once given can we apeal against then to get them lowered so its just 6 so he can earn a living .has anyone experienced this ,4 years is a long time , hes 50 years of age and we dont kknow what we are going to do have looked for jobs in our area and all want 6 points .the thing we were wondering ,is it better to go for 6 month ban and declare that your dissqualified driver under the minor speeding totting up system as the pionts will be clear and could he start earning again .thanks any help advice would be nice , he knows how stupid hes been ,and is distraught .
trubster
QUOTE (alfdog @ Tue, 30 Apr 2013 - 20:47) *
help!
my partner has been under a lot of worry latley , mother not well and having to help out with her 24/7 care , no excuse but in his job hes been going down the rd thats should be 40mph to him but the road limit is 50mph as in hgv lorry
his speeding is at the moment 1@47, 1@50 mph and theres two more comming , under 50mph ,we have sent those back addmitting hes the driver,the delay caused has meant a month before he realised he was on dangerous ground ,first going to the lease company then to company then to him .
we know and hes gutted that that this will amount to 9 points on his licence after taking an option of a speed awareness course and then he will loose his job because his company who value him will not be able to keep him on with thier insurance.is there anyway you can limit the damage of the points, when in court ,or once given can we apeal against then to get them lowered so its just 6 so he can earn a living .has anyone experienced this ,4 years is a long time , hes 50 years of age and we dont kknow what we are going to do have looked for jobs in our area and all want 6 points .the thing we were wondering ,is it better to go for 6 month ban and declare that your dissqualified driver under the minor speeding totting up system as the pionts will be clear and could he start earning again .thanks any help advice would be nice , he knows how stupid hes been ,and is distraught .

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I dont think there is really a way out of this one, depends on how close to 6 months he is. As a HGV Driver, he should be more than aware of the 40 MPH National Speed Limit, how did he not see the flash 4 times?
alfdog
QUOTE (trubster @ Tue, 30 Apr 2013 - 19:00) *
QUOTE (alfdog @ Tue, 30 Apr 2013 - 20:47) *
help!
my partner has been under a lot of worry latley , mother not well and having to help out with her 24/7 care , no excuse but in his job hes been going down the rd thats should be 40mph to him but the road limit is 50mph as in hgv lorry
his speeding is at the moment 1@47, 1@50 mph and theres two more comming , under 50mph ,we have sent those back addmitting hes the driver,the delay caused has meant a month before he realised he was on dangerous ground ,first going to the lease company then to company then to him .
we know and hes gutted that that this will amount to 9 points on his licence after taking an option of a speed awareness course and then he will loose his job because his company who value him will not be able to keep him on with thier insurance.is there anyway you can limit the damage of the points, when in court ,or once given can we apeal against then to get them lowered so its just 6 so he can earn a living .has anyone experienced this ,4 years is a long time , hes 50 years of age and we dont kknow what we are going to do have looked for jobs in our area and all want 6 points .the thing we were wondering ,is it better to go for 6 month ban and declare that your dissqualified driver under the minor speeding totting up system as the pionts will be clear and could he start earning again .thanks any help advice would be nice , he knows how stupid hes been ,and is distraught .

Please complete this for each one recieved, expecially dates

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I dont think there is really a way out of this one, depends on how close to 6 months he is. As a HGV Driver, he should be more than aware of the 40 MPH National Speed Limit, how did he not see the flash 4 times?


he did see the flash on the last one up to now ,hope theres no more comming ,but he is very aware how faulty hes been but l think the worry had something to do with it , his licence is clean no pionts at all up to now and hasnt been for years , so out of character , the company looked at tachos and not speeding anywhere else at all, but again no defence, but if he collects these points comming and does not go speedawareness he has 12, but might have a 5th anyway , il know deserves the book. really! but mother and worry l think has really upset him , such a careful driver before .
trubster
Doesnt deserve the book at all, at the end of the day 47/40 is hardly the worst he could have done.

We need one of the experts to give an opinion on whether a very nicely worded letter might help? I know its probably not but anything is worth a try.

How old was the vehicle? Does it have a Digital Tachograph, when is it due calibration (2 Yrs for Digi 6 for Analogue) and has it recently had a new set of tyres.

If it was last calibrated on old nearly worn tyres and now has new ones on, there could be a 10% difference in the speed readings.

Come back with as much info as possible and fill in the NIP Wizard please.

Kev
Logician
It would not make sense for an insurance company to refuse to insure someone on 9 points, but insure them after 6 months if they get another 3 and are disqualified as a totter. Having said that, insurance companies have some very funny habits. Worth checking how they would view an employee was has received a totting disqualification in the past.
trubster
QUOTE (Logician @ Tue, 30 Apr 2013 - 23:42) *
It would not make sense for an insurance company to refuse to insure someone on 9 points, but insure them after 6 months if they get another 3 and are disqualified as a totter. Having said that, insurance companies have some very funny habits. Worth checking how they would view an employee was has received a totting disqualification in the past.

A standard requirement for HGV Insurance with most insurers are

1) Over 25 Years Old
2) 2+ Years holding class of licence required to drive the vehicle
3) 180 Days Experience in the last 12 months
4) 6 Points MAX
5) No IN DD DR TT or MS codes on licence (Not sure on the last one but I think it is MS)
alfdog
thanks folks , i tried to fill in np wizard by answere question but l cannot see how to do it , counted today the days difference between getting the first offence letter through and the date of the offence and l think its 40 days , thats i think why there has been so many , the worry of everything at home , people relying on him for support and the fact that nothing is amiss, l know yet again he should be aware and know to take the speed down,but if there would have been a letter drop through our door within 14 days they may have just been one more , thats it ,,speed awareness course, and 3 points ,not something to be proud of as a professional driver but able to still make a living .also can some one tell me does the 14 days include weekends, l cannot believe this but after sending the first one off i threw away the counter letter but but the 2nd one l have kept , and do you go on the date on the letter or the date you revied the letter, thanks
alfdog
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - March 2013
Date of the NIP: - 48 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 50 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - a5 watling street, royal redgate, nuneaton southeast bound 34828-95923
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - driver
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons -

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - No
Is the NIP addressed to you personally? - No

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • Do nothing!

    The police are not requesting the information from you, they are requesting it from the person the NIP is addressed to.
    Wait until you receive a NIP addressed to you personally, then come back here.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Wed, 01 May 2013 21:19:59 +0000

sorry just getting use to all this and it confusing , ive only just realised that the two forms up to now we have recieved are nips one sent back but didnt take note of dates sent and things and it got mixed up with rubish and i threw it out ,but sent the it back, the second has been sent back as well paniced on this one , but do know dates so if you send two wizzards l will correct the info
alfdog
hi could hot work out above , two NIP COME THROUGH SENT THEM BACK, AWAITING ANY MORE, 1ST TICKET GOT ON FEB TOOK 42 DAYS TO GET IT VIA LEASE COMPAMY AND OTHER COMPANY , in the meantime he travelled this rd almost daily ! i never understood sometimes how people become homeless and loose everything they have , now iam begining to understand, at 50 yrs and no other talent /training everything looks bleak,ibut one thing for sure hes willing to do anything .
johnjo42
Unfortunately, it is not easy to make sense of all this. What's done is done and you will have to wait and see what happens. What is absolutely vital though is that your partner is going to have to change his ways. If he ends up with 9 points and he commits one more offence he will have 12 and will be looking at a 6 month ban, unless he can establish exceptional hardship.
So, he has got to be a model driver for what looks like the next three years.
alfdog
QUOTE (johnjo42 @ Fri, 3 May 2013 - 05:44) *
Unfortunately, it is not easy to make sense of all this. What's done is done and you will have to wait and see what happens. What is absolutely vital though is that your partner is going to have to change his ways. If he ends up with 9 points and he commits one more offence he will have 12 and will be looking at a 6 month ban, unless he can establish exceptional hardship.
So, he has got to be a model driver for what looks like the next three years.

YES I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT , AND CONSIDERING HE WILL NOT BE DRIVING LETS HOPE IT WILL BE EASIER, COME TO GET OUR HEAD ROUND IT NOW, NOT FUN MAKING ENDS MEET, CANNOT GET ANY ASSISTANCE HES HAD A CLEAN LICENCE FOR 25 YEARS ,HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN SAY THAT, WHEN HAVE NO INCOME COMMING IN WE CAN SIT AND THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THE DISSCUSSION THATS GOING ON TO RAISE LIMITS FOR HGV AND RID THIS RULE,HE SO SORRY GETTING IT WRONG BY THE AMOUNT HE DID, IT WOULD HAVE HAD LESS OF A IMPACT ON OUR LIVES IF HE ROBBED AN OLDLADY , THEN HE COULD HAVE USED SECTION 10(1) AND WELL YOU KNOW HES NOT A DRIVER THROUGH HAVING TO BE ,HE LOVED IT AND THATS WHAT HURTS , IF THE NIP WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE SOONER IN 14 DAYS HE WOULD HAVE REALISEDAND, AND MAYBE GOT 2 NIP, A SPEED CAMERA IS THERE TO MAKE YOU AWARE YOUR NOT DRIVING CORRECTLEY, IN MY MIND THIS TIME IT HAS FAILED AND TURNED INTO A CASHCOW!
southpaw82
Please don't use all caps in a post.
alfdog
well sent a speed awareness off 16 days ago , phoned lady at the ticket office and she explained how to fill it out heared nothing tried to get through on friday but couldnt as busy all the while and i have a hoeeible feeling i didnot put the refference number on it l was wanting to transfere to naother county , lady did not tell me to and we went through it stage by stage twice ( l all a dither and panic) anyway come on here to find out more and they say if you cannot attend within 4 months it will be withdrawn so nip took 59 days offer didnot come till 5th of may and so wont get a chance on any hows your luck!really do you not have any readdress on the length they have took to come in court ¬!
squaredeal
First of all, calm down.

What does this mean?

QUOTE (alfdog @ Sat, 18 May 2013 - 20:17) *
well sent a speed awareness off 16 days ago


Did you send a cheque off to pay for a course, or just send the form back saying you'd like to accept the SAC offer?

Where do you want to attend the SAC?
alfdog
yes you are right, i must calm down but when all and everything hangs on the outcome l do worry, l sent a speed awarenss form off,lady on phone told me how , wanted to apply to another county so no cheque was sent , bit nearly 21 days and have heared nothing , tried to contact them on friday and could not get through , since its now been 3 months on wednesday since offence so frighten that this will be too late , l did not add the refference number on form is this why it hasnt come back ,or are they that slow , l need the course to minimize other pionts that will lead to loss of job , all within a month ,l went from 30year clean licence, to one that is banned and wasnt even informed till 2 months after , oh is there nothing we can do? tongue.gif cool.gif cool.gif
squaredeal
Log in here with your driving licence number.
https://dors.police.uk

It will confirm if you are on the National database.

Select your preferred area to attend the course.

If that area has an online booking system you can book and pay tonight. If they don't, it will give you contact details to call them tomorrow.

If you aren't on the database yet, contact Warwickshire tomorrow.
Johnxxx
QUOTE (squaredeal @ Sun, 19 May 2013 - 23:23) *
Log in here with your driving licence number.
https://dors.police.uk

Is there a database for finding out about previous courses attended (dates, places etc) ?
alfdog
QUOTE (Johnxxx @ Mon, 20 May 2013 - 20:24) *
QUOTE (squaredeal @ Sun, 19 May 2013 - 23:23) *
Log in here with your driving licence number.
https://dors.police.uk

Is there a database for finding out about previous courses attended (dates, places etc) ?

hi well the summons has been sent and the charges are being heared together on the September trouble is the summoms has been sent with the first offence which is the one that he had a speed awareness course for does anybody know if this will effect any thing dry.gif
AFCNEAL
QUOTE (alfdog @ Tue, 13 Aug 2013 - 22:06) *
QUOTE (Johnxxx @ Mon, 20 May 2013 - 20:24) *
QUOTE (squaredeal @ Sun, 19 May 2013 - 23:23) *
Log in here with your driving licence number.
https://dors.police.uk

Is there a database for finding out about previous courses attended (dates, places etc) ?

hi well the summons has been sent and the charges are being heared together on the September trouble is the summoms has been sent with the first offence which is the one that he had a speed awareness course for does anybody know if this will effect any thing dry.gif


The one that was booked too late and not paid for?...........
The Rookie
If he has been summonsed for just the one event of speeding and he has genuinely carried out a SAC for that one event, then a prosecution would be an abuse, as they have made a commitment not to prosecute!
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