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joeg86
Hi

I received a charge notice for UKPC Ltd. today for £100 dropping to £50 if I pay them within 14 days. I parked in a McDonalds car park and didn't realize there was a time limit on the car park. I was apparently there for 1 hr 47 minutes. I didn't see any signs saying they would fine me if I stayed too long!

From what I've been able to find here and by searching Google there is really nothing they can do, am I right in thinking I should just ignore the notice and they will give up eventually? I was tempted to write to them to contest it but it seems from what I've read that this will just make them think I'm willing to negotiate with them.

Any advice from anyone who's had a notice from UKPC?

Thanks

Joe
Salmosalaris
Think I know this one. Couple of signs high up on lampposts. Took the young uns there the other day and must say I didnt notice them until I looked.

joeg86
Yeah it's in M5 near Salford uni. I'm going to go back and see if I can see any signs but I would have noticed any proper sign warning of charges. I guess it doesn't look too good for McDonald's warning customers not to park too long at risk of paying charges so they put the signs somewhere obscure!

What's your recommendation (if any)?
Vinesh Patel
I suggest you appeal to POPLA rather than simply ignoring it, which could work against you in the long run. Most POPLA cases result in the invoice being quashed there and then.
SchoolRunMum
QUOTE (joeg86 @ Mon, 22 Apr 2013 - 23:38) *
Yeah it's in M5 near Salford uni. I'm going to go back and see if I can see any signs but I would have noticed any proper sign warning of charges. I guess it doesn't look too good for McDonald's warning customers not to park too long at risk of paying charges so they put the signs somewhere obscure!

What's your recommendation (if any)?



Like all the other threads on here, (except in Scotland or NI) the advice is to appeal (legal challenge perhaps) to the PPC and then draft a POPLA appeal when they reject. You have to appeal to the company first but it should not be a soft appeal. Here you go:

http://www.parkingcowboys.co.uk/appeal-letter/

That's for your initial consideration & info, not to be just 'copied'. Never copy any template letter verbatim. But that's the sort of thing we suggest!
joeg86
Ok thanks. The letter looks like it doesn'e need too much tweaking. Am I right in thinking I shouldn't admit I'm the driver until I receive the information? The letter refers to "the driver" without admitting that one is the driver. Bearing in mind that the car park is free to start with would this affect how I challenge the parking charge? Also I didn't get a receipt for what I bought from McDonald's, would I need one to mount a successful defence?

Thanks
Salmosalaris
no dont mention or infer who was driving, they may slip up on schedule 4 compliance then they cant chase the reg keeper.
bargepole
QUOTE (Salmosalaris @ Tue, 23 Apr 2013 - 20:47) *
no dont mention or infer who was driving, they may slip up on schedule 4 compliance then they cant chase the reg keeper.

[pedant mode on] I imply. You infer. [/pedant mode off]
Salmosalaris
I stand corrected Sir
SchoolRunMum
QUOTE (joeg86 @ Tue, 23 Apr 2013 - 20:42) *
Ok thanks. The letter looks like it doesn'e need too much tweaking. Am I right in thinking I shouldn't admit I'm the driver until I receive the information? The letter refers to "the driver" without admitting that one is the driver. Bearing in mind that the car park is free to start with would this affect how I challenge the parking charge? Also I didn't get a receipt for what I bought from McDonald's, would I need one to mount a successful defence?

Thanks



'Defence'???? This isn't a criminal matter and you aren't appealing or defending your actions, you are basically challenging the basis of theirs.

And I would change the wording on the letter because it's already a well-known template and it's just daft to copy an online legally-worded template IMHO! It just shows the PPC that a person isn't a solicitor/barrister or anyone they need worry about as they've just used a template verbatim. Make it your own!
joeg86
OK thanks yeah I will rewrite the letter. When I said defense I meant contesting any claim if UKPC decide to resort to court, rather than a criminal defense. Would someone be prepared to read through the letter before I send it to make sure I haven't made any errors?

Thanks

Joe
SchoolRunMum
QUOTE (joeg86 @ Wed, 24 Apr 2013 - 22:47) *
OK thanks yeah I will rewrite the letter. When I said defense I meant contesting any claim if UKPC decide to resort to court, rather than a criminal defense. Would someone be prepared to read through the letter before I send it to make sure I haven't made any errors?

Thanks

Joe



UKPC don't do Court except when they were taken there twice!

They were convicted of a criminal offence under the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 in Hull Crown Court:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=63597

And more recently, a motorist took them to Court for damages and won (trespass by UKPC!):

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum...spass-**SUCCESS**

They currently use a standard rejection letter which does not specifically address the points raised in an appeal. They seem to be somewhat reluctant to provide the POPLA forms and code, even though that is a requirement of the BPA AOS CoP. If you can get a POPLA code and forms from them an appeal will cost them £27 and the oiutcome will be binding on them but not on you. So you can simply ignore the decision and UKPC would have to break the habit of a lifetime with you if they were to actually try their first Court claim!

You can post your draft letter here if you like, everyone can see it and comment, don't be shy and don't worry about UKPC! The more important wording will be your POPLA appeal in due course, so that's the one you need to make sure is packed full of points of appeal and demands for evidence (we can help you then too).

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