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cakes42
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - September 2011
Date of the NIP: - 10 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 11 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - Frampton road GorseionSwansea
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 3
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - This a van wtih company signage theeir was serveral deliverys and service calls that day so a few different folks could have use of the van. Speed was 37 in 30.

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Unsure
Do you know who was driving? - Unsure who was driving

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 22:11:55 +0000
Aretnap
Is the NIP addressed to you personally or a limited company you run?
cakes42
QUOTE (Aretnap @ Wed, 21 Sep 2011 - 23:13) *
Is the NIP addressed to you personally or a limited company you run?


It is addressed to me personally
Logician
Be warned that unless you name a particular driver without equivocation you will be summonsed for the offence of failing to name a driver and, contrary to popular opinion, a defence based on being unsure who was driving is very difficult and failure leads to 6 points and a large fine. You are going to have to work out who was using the van at the particular time it was speeding. "Different folks could have used of the van" is simply not going to cut it.
Kickaha
Also note that this speed should see a SAC being offered when the driver is named.
cakes42
QUOTE (Logician @ Wed, 21 Sep 2011 - 23:22) *
Be warned that unless you name a particular driver without equivocation you will be summonsed for the offence of failing to name a driver and, contrary to popular opinion, a defence based on being unsure who was driving is very difficult and failure leads to 6 points and a large fine. You are going to have to work out who was using the van at the particular time it was speeding. "Different folks could have used of the van" is simply not going to cut it.



So should I put my name on the NIP and also request photographic evidence to identify the driver when I return the NIP?
BaggieBoy
QUOTE (cakes42 @ Fri, 23 Sep 2011 - 23:47) *
So should I put my name on the NIP and also request photographic evidence to identify the driver when I return the NIP?

Just thnk about what you wrote there, if you are naming yourself as the driver, why would you expect to get photographs to help you identify the driver!
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