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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - August 2011
Date of the NIP: - 10 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 11 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A31 PICKET POST, HAMPSHIRE
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? -
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - I AM THE REGISTERED KEEPER
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - I was driving on the dual carriageway. There was a police van with a mobile speed camera out the back window. I was over 70 and I broke, i believed when I broke i was with the speed limit but was unsure, there was also another car right in front of me vehicle the whole time.

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:28:51 +0000
They are likely to have clocked you before you saw them,up to 999 metres away, and you braked too late. As there was another car in front it would be useful to see what they are relying on as a measure of your speed. Write back asking for any available photographs to assist in identifying the driver, making no mention of proof or evidence which you are not entitled to at this stage. Most forces will send these or direct you to a website. If you wash off the details and post it up here following the directions in the FAQs, people will be able to tell you if it is a clean ping or whether the other car may have interfered.

This does not stop the time running on the 28 days you have to respond. Failing to identify the driver is a much more serious offence than speeding, so do not risk that.
The Rookie
What did you break, sounds painful.......(Braked is the past tense of brake, broke is the past tense of break).....

The van can clock your speed within 1 second of you coming into view (2/3s RT and 1/3S measure) at upto 999m away, braking is usually a pointless exercise.

As Logician says, worth asking for photo's as they will often send the money shot and you'll get an idea of what was happening.

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