i live in a unadopted road that has no owner
or if there is a owner its been so many decades no body knows who it is.


some of my neighbours think they own it and have now tried to impose a parking restriction !

have a look

i just want to know your take on it?

are they the type of people who would damage
your car if you parked there?

maybe they havent yet .
i just found this too it must be what they bought " a starter pack"

http://www.northernparkingservices.co.uk/parkingpacks.html

the company house website has their details but on the sign has an extra 0 on the front

even if it were enforcable
(which it isn't)
where is the car park?

call the council.tell them
neighbours are grafittiing
the road.

One would imagine those people are nimbies, but it is ok for them.
They are trying to say to you, "you cannot park here, but I can."

Quick call to the Council should be interesting.....

Agreed. "Unadopted" does NOT mean it's not public highway, merely that it's not public highway maintained at public expense.

A highway is a way over which the public have a right to pass and repass and may or may not be publicly maintained.

Definitely contact the council.


HCA

check there car to see if it has a permt in it. if it doesnt ring the ppc and say theres someone in the bay with out permit. they will clamp them no questions asked. then see how fast they remove the stupied bay and signs.

there is no clamping sign

sorry ticket them

i'll bet the deal is that landowner applies ticket and shares
any payment with ppc

perhaps this is the residence where Kermit, Gonzo, Fozzy et all have retired to ?

does it matter that northern parking solutions is private limited company , and company code is wrong on the sign
its not a car park
they dont have permits either,
and the best bit i parked there and no ticket after 3 hours.
they must have paid the 90 quid for the medium starter pack and i called thiere bluff.

what section of the council do i ring? i mean the road has oviously vadilised and looks terrible

I bet they've nicked that sign off a wall in a private carpark somewhere and are just using it as a deterrent.

The lines are pretty though.

Highways dept.

no they accualy paid for them


90 odd quid from the link above .

when I lived in an unadopted street, my deeds stated I owned the road outside my property, but it had right of access and I had to maintain it, so check with highways who is the owner of the land, you could be surprised and find you own the land outside your property,,

my guess is that you all own the road communally (like a relative of mine) as opposed to the bit outside your house

do you pay a fee annually to maintain the road?

what does it say on your deeds on most unadopted road
your property boundry goes to the centre of the road and each
owner is resposable for the repairs to the road

Most owners where property adjoins an unadopted highway pay a maintenance charge known as frontage.

Do they have planning permission to operate a money-making car parking operation?

do you need planning permission for an unadopted road?
I have wondered this before if i wanted to lower my curb for the drive.

So if no-one owns the road or more correctly the owner is unknown , who exactly issues the permits and on what basis ?

I suggest you print your own permit -along the lines of
"I give myself permission to park in the road I live in (insert name of road). WARNING as this vehicle is my property I expressely withold permisson for any person who does not have statutory authority to place anything in or on my vehicle by any means. If you interfere with my vehicle by placing anything in or on it you agree to pay a charge of £85 "

I think you should try and get those spaces occupied all the time by people who know better than to pay up. Hopefully they'll run out of tickets quickly and realise they wasted £90.

i looked on land registery and got the "land charges" i think its called and title deeds .

his land is to the front garden and no further.

now i just need to find the owner of the road.

"Parking Prohibited - Permit Holders Only"

Slightly contradictory.

Why? Why do you think ownership is the be all and end all of being able to exercise rights, or to limit the exercise of rights, over a "road". We know from footway parking and parking on private land adjoining a restricted street that everything's not as straightforward as you might think.

Contact the council first and get that issue resolved. You want to know whether it is public right of way, be that highway, footway or bridleway or whatever. And if it is, what limits that places on the owner (either 's or s') rights to permit or prohibit parking.

HCA

Hmmmmm.....

100% refund and £10 for every ticket I issue.....

I'm tempted to buy one of these packs, issue myself loads of tickets, and reap £10 each from Northern Parking Services...?

your right it doesnt say £10 once there paid just issued. we could all have abit of fun with these lot

i didnt think if he owned it then he could stop me.
i have always thought it was highway and public access.
but i just got the title deeds to prove him not being the owner means he does not have the owners permission to do it.
thats my take on it anyway,.
your very right its never as straight forward as first seams.

plus my mums friend from teh brighton council in parking department, said. "hmm there are hatched lines inside them , that means they can park there either " quite amusing how many mistakes a group of 8 induviduals can make.

have you spoken to any one from the highways department yet? parking deparment have nothing to do with it.

Not sure what that last bit meant but is indicative of Brighton Parking dept.
Either the road is public highway and signs only have an effect if lawfully placed in respect of a lawful traffic order...and are graffiti and vandalism if not.
Or the road is private and whatever signs are placed have whatever effect the owner wants but would still need to be justified in a court if it came to it

"My mum's friend.." what a recipe for disaster. If you want to avoid making the obvious enquiry at the council then I can't contribute - you're obviously happy to work with anecdote, received wisdom and hearsay. Best of luck.

HCA

So are you saying that your neighbours have painted the highway and put up their own parking signs to issue tickets ?

If the council isn't interested the tax office could be.

The information is interesting but if you're going to treat this matter seriously you need to contact a named officer, not deal second-hand with your "mum's friend".

mums friend is a different bough council to the one we live in. i am in a parking dispute with my local council and they would not assist even if i wanted them to
one because it being private
i have spoke to the police and they are not concerned
highways are not either.

if they issue a tickt it will go further very quickly but they must just be trying to scare munger me and others.

just ned to find the owner .

is a private road. still a highway.? in the sence to car insurance and road vandelism type things

You don't speak to, you write to as this requires a full, considered and accurate response.


HCA

To repeat what has already been said, you do not need to find the owner.

I would just send your pics to the local paper, personally, with a jokey letter (not sent in complaining mode and use another name if you like). Ask the paper to show their readers how someone has been 'crayoning pointless unenforceable lines on the public highway' and could they please ask the Council why they are not interested, you think it would make an interesting story. Email it to one of the local 'journalists', look for their contact details on a similar random news story in this week's rag.

Or just write to the Highways Dept with your pictures, use a relative's name if you really think the Highways Dept have your card marked but why on earth would they? Your parking dispute isn't with the Highways Dept.

no no no . ! i might be missleading you on my point.

mums friend doesnt mean anything in this. it was just her comment that was amusing that a bay shoulnt have yellow lines through it. (if it was official )

im trying in get it in my head clearly who does what . and how the law works.

from what i have read and have been told .
the land is owned and is private.
pulbic have access as a highway to pass and repass
the council are responcible for the street lighting and thats about it.
the highways said it was listed as "P" for private.
and land registary said they have not got it registered
so basicly somebody owns it . its nothing to do with the council or the neighbours
and the police say its civil
it is vandilism but of private property not public property so they will not do anything. unless the owner reports it.

i just want to know how to force the neighbours to get rid of the lines as its just embaressing


also i have sent the pics to the local paper in a jokey way already .. its good to know somebody else thinks thats a good idea.




Or am i wrong. and i can report vandilism of a highway/public property?
if so i dont understand in what i need to report it as. and who i take it up with ?

Have you been phoning the Highways Dept?

Instead, write to them and see what the written reply is. Post their reply here and copy in the local paper again, badger them.

Meanwhile maybe someone with a penchant for graffiti may be passing soon? Banksy?

Your local environmental services tend to deal with Graffiti the fines are quite steep, if I recall, it's up to £5000 and is a criminal offence