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SteveS2000
Posting on behalf of my sister.

My sister was stopped two weeks ago by two police officers.

They stated that they initially noticed her 2009 Audi Q5 as it was bearing silver on black number plates which they stated did not conform.

Whilst dealing with her at the roadside, they performed a PNC check which revealed the private plate on the car was registered to a 2007 Nissan Navara.
The number plate/Nissan came back as being registered to her husband who is working away on business. They sold the Nissan last October.

Whilst confirming the identity of the Audi, the officers gave the registration from the Audi's tax disc to their control room and matched this number plate up to the correct chassis number. However, the registration number on the tax disc does not match the registration number on display.

As the Audi, once they had confirmed it's identity, then came back to the same male keeper as the Nissan had peviously, they asked my for her driving licence. She did not have this with her, but gave her name which matches that of the registered keeper. Unfortunately, she has never changed her details on her driving licence and she could not be found on PNC until she gave her Maiden name.

The officers gave her a non-endorsable fixed penalty notice for £60 for displaying plates which do not conform and advised her to change her details as she could be fined (upto £1000? by the DVLA) and to make sure the correct car is registered on those plates.

I told her she got off lightly, but yesterday, she was stopped by a different officer, again with the illegal plates on the car. Again, none of the details matched.

As her husband is still working away, she has asked me for advice. I don't really know much, so would be grateful of anyone could advise if or what the second officer can do, or any subsequent officers can do if they stop her again, as despite my advice, she is not changing the plates to conform.

Am I right in thinking that she can still be fined for:

Pre 1973 silver on black plates.

The Audi still being registered as a Nissan

Displaying a tax disc with a different registration number on it to the number plate which is displayed on the vehicle.

Failing to notify the DVLA of changes of her surname.

She says he insurance policy says it's an Audi on the private plate, but if claiming/challenged would the insurance company say she is not insured as the details appear to be incorrect?

I'm trying to stop her getting in to any more trouble, but she's managed to get stopped twice in the last 15 days now, and she's been rather blasé about this matter.
jobo
a far less understanding officer would have snatched the car till its all sorted out, which could be a while proving that the car is the one they have title too and that the insurance is a match

how in the hell has it got a nissan reg one it ?
kwaks
Does she deserve your help ohmy.gif

Get down to Halfrauds and get plates to match the original reg of the vehicle, they will make them there and then. You cannot put on the private plates until you have the new tax disc to display. The silver/black plates cannot be used as the vehicle is not eligible to use them. Have they even applied to the DVLA for the plate swap? When I done my plate swaps I did them in person and walked out the office with the new discs in my hand.

The insurance company must also be informed to swap the reg back to original. She got off very lightly with the first stop, that luck will not hold.

If I was an insurer, I would certainly look to get out a claim on a vehicle running on false plates (which she is).
Kensington
I agree with kwaks. Untill she gets it sorted correctly she can expect to get stopped quite often because a lot of police veicles are now fitted with ANPR so eventually she will find herself in front of the mags.
Durzel
Repeat numberplate offences would ultimately lead to the DVLA revoking the private plate.

At a complete loss to comprehend in what legit scenario one would have the numberplate for another vehicle attached to a car it doesn't belong to.
SteveS2000
She claims the Audi dealership should have swapped it. But after reading the above replies and the DVLA website it appears, they would have issued the tax disc in the private reg number if done correctly.
redloner
If they sold the Nissan with the private number "in situ" they might find they've lost it for good.

Did they have the number transferred back on to a retention certificate or was it supposed to be transferred from vehicle to vehicle at the point of purchase/sale?

The new owner will have taxed and insured the vehicle with the number on it and they will have to be asked very nicely to go through the hassle of changing all the details via the insurer and DVLA or local traffic office.

After nearly six months, I'd be none too pleased.
CuriousOrange
Bit confusing that the Nissan is still registered to her husband after so long - if the DVLA have it still down as registered to him then he'll end up being liable for the road tax and all sorts. Who did they sell it to? The Audi dealership as part-ex? (Since she claims the dealership should have swapped it?) Did all the V5C stuff get done correctly?

Where did the silver-and-black plates on it at the moment come from? If not the Audi dealership (it would be surprising if they'd agree to put non-conforming silver/black plates on), then what plates were on it when they bought it? And what's the registration on the V5C?

At a guess, I bet the original plates and the V5C both bear the same registration as the one on the tax disc. And I bet when they got the Audi they just swapped the plates over themselves thinking that's all they had to do. If so, then as said above they've likely lost that private plate for good, depending on where the Nissan currently is.

"She says the insurance policy says it's an Audi on the private plate..." - and where did they get those details from? Her, most likely - so what weight does she think that carries?

At the moment she's driving around on false plates. The moment the PNC database gets updated to show the Nissan registered to someone else, then all the next officer who stops her will know is that she's got no relation to the registration mark at all.

As said, they could easily decide to impound the vehicle there and then.

redloner
Might be worth the sister checking which vehicle is insured under the VRM in question;-

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