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Fieldengineer
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - January 2010
Date of the NIP: - 11 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 14 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A9, Edinburgh/Perth Road, Dunblane, District of Stirling at a part near to Allan Water
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - Company car, owned by company - not leased.
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - I dont remember the journey exactly as I drive 50k miles a year and January has been extremely busy. I think I may have been travelling southbound but the NIP does not give a direction of travel. If it was the journey I think it was there was a van in a layby on a downhill section of the southbound carrigeway, although I cannot be sure as I have driven that road in both directions 11 times in January.
I haven`t completed the NIP yet, when should I do so and should I request video and calibration evidence at the same time? Also I feel the location details are perhaps too vague as direction of travel is not given to allow me to know if I was travelling to, or from Perth at the time. Does this have any bearing on things?


NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - No
Is the NIP addressed to you personally? - Yes
Although you are not the Registered Keeper, were you the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - Scotland

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    Depending on your circumstances, you may wish to consider completing the form, but returning it unsigned. By doing so there is a risk that you will be convicted under s172, which would attract 6 penalty points and a fine; in most cases this is likely to exceed the penalty for the speeding offence itself.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:51:08 +0000
peterguk
Is the NIP addressed to you personally or your company?
Fieldengineer
It`s addressed to me personally.
Fieldengineer
any advice?
peterguk
You have 28 days from date of receipt to complete the S.172 and return.

Could someone else have been driving your car? If not, then name yourself. If there is any doubt, you can request photos to "assist in identifying the driver", but do not mention "evidence" or "proof".

As the offence wass in Scotland, you can send the S.172 back unsigned. This will result in BiB doing their best to gain your signature over the next 5 and bit months including sending you reminders and knocking on your door. Avoid them 'til a timeout and you're free.

If you don't want the hassle, complete and return signed.
Pete D
I do not think it is vague, just pop it into google.
http://www.centralsafetycameras.co.uk/inde...dunblane_south/

Pete D
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