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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - November 2009
Date of the NIP: - 7 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 8 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A664 Rochdale Road, Blackley, Manchester
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - I cannot recall the offence at all! I am a sales rep and drive all the time, and can't remember being flashed, or seeing a police vehicle. I was apparantly travelling at 38 in a 30. On the NIP it says that there are two possible methods of prosecution, a speed awareness course, or £60 fine and 3 points. I desperately don't want the points and am wondering whether a quick admission etc would help in any way get offered the speed awareness course? Should I just go with it?

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:32:12 +0000
As long it is within the required 28 days, then I doubt that the timing of your response would have any bearing as to whether you were offered a SAC or not.
Thanks for your advice Nemo,

Is there anything else you know about how they make decisions to offer the course? I checked the chart on here for the area, and it suggests I could fall within the criteria, and if so I would rather just accept it even though I can't remember doing it!
QUOTE (*** @ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 - 17:50) *
Is there anything else you know about how they make decisions to offer the course?

Not really; the basic ACPO qualifying criteria will usually apply. That is, as long as the speed is within their threshold (limit plus 10% plus 6mph), and accepting that a similar course has not been undertaken within the previous 3 years, then you should qualify for a course. Whether they choose to offer you a course remains to be seen, however..

But if they don't offer a course, despite their own invitation criteria being met, then there would be nothing stopping you from writing a polite letter asking them to reconsider. This is a tactic which has certainly worked in the past for some posters on this forum.
Can't you just smite them?
Thanks so much for your advice - that is v helpful.

Think I will go with it, and take your advice of polite appeal if they don't offer it.


Smite them? Is that code? smile.gif

I guess if you mean try and fight it I would be worried of losing and coming off worse.....
Sorry thought you were another '***' - who used to smite people who upset him.
Oh - no that's not me!
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