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The Rookie
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - April 2009
Date of the NIP: - 78 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 78 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A47, HOCKERING, towards Norwich
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - Hire car
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - I was caught speeding in a hire car by a safety camera van doing 72mph in a 60mph.

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - No
Is the NIP addressed to you personally? - Yes
Although you are not the Registered Keeper, were you the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - No
As you were not responsible for the vehicle, somebody else has named you as the driver. Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:30:18 +0100
What date did you receive the NIP on and what was the actual date of the alleged offence?
Received the NIP 78 days after the date of offence I was in a hire car, but seems a long time to get the NIP.

Not too surprising it has taken that long.

Wanted to know to look at a potential timeout but it looks unlikely as you need to go to mid October, so even if you replied right on 28 days then they offered you a CoFP after a week or so with 28 days to reply, that would only take you to into early September. So even if you needed to ask for a reprint of the CoFP for some reason, that is still unlikely to take things beyond mid to late Sept.
The hire car might belong to a leasing co so the nip has traveled back and forth for a while.Leave sending it back until the last minute,send it special signed for delivery(so you have proof of delivery)In the normal course of events you will likely receive a CoFP which will give you another 28 days to decide whether or not to accept the fixed penalty.Depending on dates this could bring you very close to a time out.
Thanks for the replies.

How long would it be before a time out?

6 months for them to lay info, not for you to recieve smmons
The Rookie
Delete the dates, they are depersonalized by the Wizard for a good reason.....

I would suggest writing to the scammers and asking for photo's to 'help confirm the drivers ID' or similar, not proof or evidence, and see if it shows anything of use, this doesn't stall the 28 days you have to respond to the S172 request.

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