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West Hammer
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - April 2009
Date of the NIP: - 50 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 54 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A40 Western Avenue by RAF Northolt E/B HA4 (9624)
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - Company Car
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - I was travelling E/B with the cruise control set for 70mph from the section before which is 70mph. I then saw the lined markings in the road and began to brake (natral reaction). I couldn't remember seeing a reduction in speed sign so I gauged my speed on a lorry ahead in the inside lane and it seemed to be going about the same speed so I thought I was ok. I then saw a 50mph sign so I reset my speed to 50mph. The speed signs on the A40 are all quite small. The time of the alledged offence was 05.38. The first I knew of the alledged offence was 28 days after, the company received it 23 days after. I then got the official form a full 54 days after.

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - No
Is the NIP addressed to you personally? - Yes
Although you are not the Registered Keeper, were you the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - No
As you were not responsible for the vehicle, somebody else has named you as the driver. Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:03:04 +0100
23 days for the companyto receive the NIP is too late, but is it a leased car? If so you need to check when the leasing company received the NIP.
The Rookie
Although the repeater signs may be small, the terminal signs at the start of the lower limit should be much larger.

The registered Keeper of the car needed to recieve a NIP within 14 days of the alleged offence, if its leased that will normally be the lease co.

You could ask for photo's 'to help ID the driver' and see if that helps at all.

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