Hi Everyone, I found this forum when researching about PG9's and thought this was the best place to ask.

I am after some information on PG9's. What are the conditions on getting one? To be more specific, if the ABS warning light appears, would this qualify for a PG9? I have searched the VOSA website, and some other websites, but have found no specific information. Just descirptions of PG9's.

From what I have found, I believe this would recieve a PG9(D), due to the brakes still working, just the ABS not working, therefore not a serious problem. However I want to know if this would actually obtain any value of PG9.

Thanks for any help.

Nick

It's an mot fail, so probably it is a PG9

I must add, only the light is tested on mot, not the abs. I assume for a PG9 it is the same.

If the light operates correctly and the abs does not work......ok

If the abs operates ok and the light does not.......not ok.

Please don't ask why it is so crazy. Peeple wot know more than wot I does, mek the rooles

so take the bulb out and all is well !

gotta love dem rooles

iv heard a clever rouse of wiring the abs light to the oil pressure light, so they both go off together

Whether a prohibition notice can be issued will depend on the opinion of the constable issuing it as to the condition of the vehicle and the likelihood of it causing death or injury.

(2) If on any inspection of a vehicle under any of the enactments mentioned in subsection (1) above it appears to an authorised constable that owing to any defects in the vehicle driving it (or driving it for any particular purpose or purposes or for any except one or more particular purposes) would involve a danger of injury to any person, he may prohibit the driving of the vehicle on a road—

(a) absolutely, or

(b) for one or more specified purposes, or

(c ) except for one or more specified purposes.

An abs light fault does not always mean the abs is not working, however it is most likely.

The braking system will then revert to an approximation of a standard braking system. So, reading southpaws post, a PG9 is barely justified.

However it could possibly be argued that a driver might expect the abs to function. When in an emergency, it does not, the danger occurs. Possible PG9.

I cannot see it would be on the vosa website, vosa persons are more likely to apply common sense to any fault that come across, usually as well they have the knowledge to back it up. Sadly this cannot always be said for the police.

Was your PG9, a police issued one?, I suspect so.


An idiot might fall for it, anyone else would be seriously pissed off that someone would think they are that stupid.

Do you really want to piss off the mot tester

Not by my local testers interpretation of the rules.


The ABS warning light should illuminate when the ignition comes on as a self test, then extinguish. The failure to illuminate is an incorrect indication and so subject to failure.



"The only ABS item testable during an Mot is the lamp. It must come on and go off in accordance with the manufacturers program. If it's staying on after 5 seconds, or isn't coming on at all (don't take the bulb out) it will fail."

From here.
http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m3i00000001.htm

Reason for rejection,
1. The warning lamp a. is missing b. does not illuminate c. does not follow the correct sequence of operation d. indicates an ABS fault

You could always look in the Testers Manual as issued by VOSA. I don't have my copy to hand but there is THE book, the testers manual, and a categorisation of defects book which gives the reasons to fail.

On the PSV and HGV side, an ABS light inoperative or the ABS isolated is a reason for a PG9. Most heavies have an ABS switch for some reason.

Has the OP ever wondered WHY his ABS light soesn't work? Surely it's far safer and almost as quick to get the ABS fixed than to mess about rewiring the bulb?

All bang on.

Unless it is a bike, then only advisory, not a failure. Please don't ask me why, its the rules.

i can turn my abs on and off - so clearly the warning light for abs fault
would need to be for more the abs not effective and a more general braking failure
(which has its own warning light)