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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - December 2008
Date of the NIP: - 9 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 10 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A217 Brighton Road, Tadworth, Surrey
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - I was travelling at 50mph at 12:19 on a dual carriageway which is a 40 mph area. I am tempted by some websites that say "pay us and we can get your speeding fine cancelled". Apart from the fact i think my offence is unfair, i cannot see me arguing with the facts on the NIP all of which are correct. Do any Pepipoo members think i have a chance of getting my fine cancelled by buying the info. from any of theses websites? Any recommendations? I have not returned the S172 form yet.
Thanks very much for all responses

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:02:32 +0000
no there rubbish, the best is youl loose your money the worst is youl get 6 ponts and 1000 quid fine

though you have a fair chance of a vague locas judging by this,

find out how long brighton rd ' tadworth is if its over a couple of miles it might be worth ago

note you need to be disadvanted/ confused by the lack of a more exact location for it to work
Speeding fine gone away = probably.

Conviction for failure to furnish = almost certainly.

Conviction for perverting the course of justice (and jail time) = likely.

Don't waste your money.
Firstly, don't waste your money on those scam websites - all they do is send you a template letter in which you are supposed to claim you don't know who was driving, and as others have pointed out, this is a dangerous route to go down.

You have 28 days to return the completed NIP form, so use the time wisely: write a polite letter to the camera unit, requesting copies of photos "to assist with identification of the driver". Do not use words like evidence or proof at this stage.

If you get some photos, scan them, remove all identifying info, and post them back on this thread so we can see what sort of camera it was and whether the "ping" was ok.
Pete D
Tadworth is a small village and not at all vague so no confurion there.
You could wrtite to them and request coopies of any photo's to help you identify the driver. Do not elaborate or use the words proof or evidence. When you get them evaluate the quality of the ping or wash of any ID and reg and post them in your thread for more informed comment. This does not stop the 28 day clock you have to reply before day 28. Pete D
There could be confusion in respect of the location.....

Tadworth itself is a village and Brighton Road does not run through it, but as the Royal Mail sorting office in it, the whole of the KT20 postcode area is 'Tadworth'.

Brighton Road, Tadworth is the A217 and runs from the junction with Tattenham Way (Where it changes from Brighton Road, Banstead) to the M25 interchange where it changes to Reigate Hill, a distance of 4.1 miles, it is all dual carriageway with 40mph limit.

There are several sites in that stretch of road used by the mobile cameras, the usual ones are:
Ruffetts Way, Burgh Heath. (set back but parallel to A217)
On the traffic island at Waterhouse Lane, Kingswood.
In the Bus Layby just south of Warren Drive, Kingswood.
On the grass verge almost opposite Josephine Avenue, Lower Kingswood.
In the Bus layby opposite Green Lane, Lower Kingswood.
hi LD thanks

i was about to post and tell Pete that it doesnt matter how many houses there are, its the size of the parish boundary and or the postal address area etc which counts
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