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carpy
Hmm I've just had a NIP landed on my mat this morning, for an alleged offense of 40mph in a 30mph limit, at the same location (A413 Gravel Hill, Chalfont St Peter).

I can't picture where this is, but can't believe the NIP at all. It's in my heavy work van, which struggles to pick up speed and I always drive it around slowly.

Can I combine with this thread to save me making a fresh one asking for help? Is there some kind of issue with the magenta filter being fitted / unfitted?
nemo
QUOTE (carpy @ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 - 13:21) *
Hmm I've just had a NIP landed on my mat this morning, for an alleged offense of 40mph in a 30mph limit, at the same location (A413 Gravel Hill, Chalfont St Peter).

Please visit the READ ME FIRST section (Click Here), answer all the questions in the NIP Wizard (including the detailed questions reached by clicking on the Additional Questions button on the second page), and the Wizard will then post its output back here to enable us to help you.

QUOTE (carpy @ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 - 13:21) *
Can I combine with this thread to save me making a fresh one asking for help?

No - best to keep everything in your own thread, for obvious reasons.. wink.gif
mb1rgw
It's downhill (not a steep slope, but enough), and unless you keep your foot on the brake, it's difficult to avoid going over 30. It's as you approach the first of 2 roundabouts going SE towards London, shortly after the speed limit drops from 50 to 30.
carpy
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - November 2008
Date of the NIP: - 10 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 12 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A413 GRAVEL HILL, CHALFONT ST PETER
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 6
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Had no idea about this alleged "offence" until the NIP arrived in the post. This was in my work van which is incredibly slow, and I drive it around quite cautiously as there is a lot of weight in the back, so am suprised and annoyed to receive this NIP.

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:07:17 +0000

I noticed the NIP says the offence is "40mph" in a 30mph zone. On the back it says speed awareness courses are available for the speeds of up to 39mph in a 30. Is there any way I can persuade them to allow me to attend the course, rather than take the points? My van has lots of poles attached, which rattle around and stick out the sides & back, and also has ladders which protrude a long way from the rear, with high visibility jackets attached so these wave around like crazy and might possibly have affected the reading somewhat?

The thing that annoys me, is I'm a single dad and run my own business. I've already got 6 points on my license for equally trivial offences, and now with these on top I am 3 points away from getting banned which would mean losing my business. More importantly though, I would have no possible way to get my daughter to school, pick her up & do the frantic ferrying around that comes with being a parent. I honestly don't know what I would do. I simply can't afford to get cabs to take her to school etc, the buses don't even go that way (quite rural here) and she's 5 years old so she can't make her own way there. It would totally ruin my life.

It's so frustrating. I drive incredibly carefully and use appropriate speed for the conditions. I have had a clean license, and have been accident free and points free for the entire 18 year period since I passed my test. My current 6 points have all come within the last 3 months, and now I have another possible 3 for this offence.

Please help!
nemo
QUOTE (carpy @ Sun, 30 Nov 2008 - 11:14) *
I noticed the NIP says the offence is "40mph" in a 30mph zone. On the back it says speed awareness courses are available for the speeds of up to 39mph in a 30. Is there any way I can persuade them to allow me to attend the course, rather than take the points?

There's absolutely nothing stopping you from asking. That said, they are unlikely (IMO) to go against the ACPO national guidelines which state that SACs should not be offered to offenders travelling in excess of 10% plus 6mph of the posted limit.

QUOTE (carpy @ Sun, 30 Nov 2008 - 11:14) *
My van has lots of poles attached, which rattle around and stick out the sides & back, and also has ladders which protrude a long way from the rear, with high visibility jackets attached so these wave around like crazy and might possibly have affected the reading somewhat?

Not a chance if it was a Truvelo - these work on piezo strips embedded into the road surface and would not be affected by van 'furniture' which might be flapping around.

QUOTE (carpy @ Sun, 30 Nov 2008 - 11:14) *
It's so frustrating. I drive incredibly carefully and use appropriate speed for the conditions. I have had a clean license, and have been accident free and points free for the entire 18 year period since I passed my test. My current 6 points have all come within the last 3 months, and now I have another possible 3 for this offence.

You are not alone in your feelings. The increase in blanket enforcement by the SCPs (be it mobile or static) has no doubt contributed to the well reported reduction in numbers of proper traffic police on our roads today. And as we lose the proper TrafPol, so too goes any realistic chance of sensible and discretional enforcement.
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