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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - October 2008
Date of the NIP: - 6 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 7 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A489 PENSTROWED NR CAERSWS VILLAGE
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 3
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - NIP states "Excess speed 60 mph camera device". Recorded speed 78 mph.
Two possible drivers in car including myself. Neither have recollection of speed camera, van or police. No recall of warning from active Roadangel either!
Speedcam websites show location as mobile site.
Google earth shows location as straight, open two-way road, with no obstructions/junctions or other reasons for a camera.


NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - Wales

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:21:11 +0100
QUOTE (slowcoach1 @ Thu, 16 Oct 2008 - 00:21) *

Apart from not shouting ? wink.gif

You could write a succinct letter to Powys Police and request 'copies of any photographs which may assist with identification of the driver'. Keep any such letter polite, do not elaborate and avoid mentioning 'evidence' or 'proof'.

Whilst they are under no obligation to provide you with anything at this stage, they are normally happy to pop a photo or two in the post if they perceive meaningful correspondence to be taking place.

And keep one eye on the 28 day response window of the s.172 request - an extension is not granted automatically just because a photo request has been submitted.
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