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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - August 2008
Date of the NIP: - 5 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 7 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - Binley Road (Opp Stoke Green ) Twds Walsgrave Coventry
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 6
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - It was the day of my Mum's funeral. My partner and I had been making several journeys. These included taking our baby to nursery, dropping middle son to a friend and transporting family members to my Fathers house in time for the funeral cortege. Throughout the morning we had been sharing the driving and neither of us can honestly remember who was driving at the time.

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Unsure
Do you know who was driving? - Unsure who was driving

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:35:11 +0100
Pete D
Sorry to hear of your loss. The best thing you can do is write to them and request copies of any photo's to help you identify the driver. Do not elaborate or use the words evidence. These photo's may help you identify who was driving, particularly if the camera was a Truvelo or a face on mobile unit. If you scan them and wash off any ID and reg number you can post them on here then others can help you with the the 'ping' in case there is something wrong. Pete D
The Rookie
The law requires you to exhaust 'reasonable dilligence' in trying to ID the driver, checking photo's, mobile phone bills, home phone bills and car receipts all helps, log what you check and the outcome.

While its not what you want to be doing right now its crucial to your wealth, the fine for this offence is set at 125-175% of your weekly take home pay.

Once you have completed that dilligence, write them a letter (which will then become evidence in your favour), in it repeat WHO the possible drivers were and give all the details they want for each (DOB, licence number etc), tell them WHY you can't remember - basically what you have said above, and list WHAT you have done, listing checking all those things like mobile bills, card receipts, diaries asking colleagues/friends (give details) etc. Also ask the scammers what other actions they can suggest, don’t expect a reply, but it all helps.

Thanks for the replies.

I just want to clarify something:

On the accompanying literature, it states that the ticket office will not enter into any correspondence and that if I wish to contest I have to complete the form and say I wish the case to be heard in court. So I'm a bit confused as to what to do. I'm happy to send off all the info regarding drivers etc. but not sure who I have to send it to or whether I complete and sign the NIP and include both mine and my partners detailsand write an accompanying letter. huh.gif

Any help on the above would be appreciated.

Thanks again
Pete D
As I said The best thing you can do is write to them and request copies of any photo's to help you identify the driver. Do not elaborate or use the words evidence.
Have you done that yet. ? You do not need the grief right now. See if the pictures help you out. Pete D
Thanks Pete

I'll do that now and get it off in the post. You're right, I don't need the grief right now....on all the days for it to happen. Ah well!!!

OK. I've had the photos back and, although you can't see the face, it's pretty clear that if it's a choice between me and my partner who was driving... it's not me!

Are there any other lines of defence open to us? What about the "incorrectly sited" criteria? i.e. number of injury accidents, number of fatal/serious accidents, 85th percentile speed, no other speed reduction methods being appropriate etc.

Any help appreciated.


Hotel Oscar 87
Hi andie

Sorry to hear of your loss. The siting of cameras is no longer governed by the KSI figures for the location and whether any other speed reduction methods are more appropriate is of no consequence if the W.Mids Casualty Reduction Sceme deem it appropriate.

Given how things have been over the last couple of weeks I suggest that your OH, if it was him, bites the bullet but its not entirely clear which of you received the NIP. If it was you, you should reply naming your OH. In due course he will receive his own NIP and he can then complete it. Make sure you do not fall into the trap of not replying or trying to play fast and loose with the reply as the penalty for failing to provide the details required is a fine ~£300 and 6 points.
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