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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - August 2008
Date of the NIP: - 3 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 6 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - Western Boulevard / A610 Nuthall Road, Nottingham
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 3
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - The NIP states an alleged offence for "Motor vehicle contravening red traffic light - ACD".

I was the driver and do remember the ACD flashing, however, I strongly believe I didn't run a red light. I can't 100% remember but I'm 90% sure the lights were amber when I crossed them, if not JUST turned red as I went over them. I believe I couldn't of stopped safely within the distance I was given and I made the right choice.

There was another driver who was probably 1 second behind me and it looked like (to me) the ACD flashed him rather than me - could the camera of got mixed up?

What options do I have? Shall I ask for photographs? I really can't take these 3 points as I have 3 on an SP30 (wish I found this site sooner!) already and been driving less than two years.

Any help will be greatly appreciated, thanks!

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:12:37 +0100
Pete D
Yes ask for photo's to help ID the driver. Do not elaborate or use the words evidence. Keep it short. The lights have to be read for 0.4s before the camera is enabled but it may have been your read axle that crossed the line that triggered the camera. Pete D
Many thanks Pete, I've sent the letter and awaiting the photos. Shall I also ask for calibration records for that camera?


I also believe I heard police sirens thus I crossed the traffic lights to safely move out the way, would this stand up in court?
QUOTE (eth0 @ Tue, 12 Aug 2008 - 10:15) *
I also believe I heard police sirens thus I crossed the traffic lights to safely move out the way, would this stand up in court?

No, though it may be a special reason not to endorse. Also, which is it? You were going too fast to safely stop in time (irrelevant if it was a red light) or your heard sirens and wanted to get out of the way?
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