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nikkietoni
HELLO CAN ANYONE HELP.
I WAS GIVEN A PARKING TICKET FOR PARKING IN A PARKING BAY-MARKED WITH BROKEN WHITE LINES. THERE IS RESTRICTED PARKING FOR AN HOUR.I CAM OUT OF THE SHOP AFTER =45 MINUTES AND HAD RECEIVED A TICKET FOR PARKING ON OR NEAR TO A BUS STOP.
I HAD NOT REALISED THERE WAS A BUS STOP AS THE AREA IS BIG ENOUGH FOR ABOUT 10 CARS AND THERE WERE CARS PARKED THERE ALREADY, AND I JUST PARKED IN A SPACE. THERE IS A POLE NEAR TO WHERE I PARKED BUT NO INDICATION AS THE SMALL TIMETABLE(METAL) WAS FACED AWAY FROM THE ROAD TOWARDS THE SHOPS. THERE IS A BUS NUMBER SIGN AT THE TOP OF THE POLE, BUT DRIVING UP I DID NOT NOTICE THIS. THERE ARE NO LINES ON THE ROAD TO SAY A BUS STOP IS THERE-WHEREAS LOOKING ROUND THE AREA AT OTHER BUS STOPS ,WHERE THERE ARE NO YELLOW LINES AT THE BUS STOP IT IS MARKED SO A DRIVER WOULD BE AWARE AND NOT PARK THERE.
MY ARGUMENT IS, APART FROM THE FACT THERE WAS NO INDICATION ON THE ROAD, HOW LONG IS A BUS? WHERE ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO PARK-THE BAYS ARE NOT MARKED, IT IS JUST A LONG PARKING BAY.HOW WOULD WE KNOW WHERE THE BUS STOPPED-BEFORE THE POLE, AFTER THE POLE??
WHEN I RETURNED TO MY CAR THERE WAS ANOTHER CAR PARKED NEXT TO ME WHO DID NOT RECEIVE A TICKET AND HAD BEEN PARKED THE SAME TIME AS ME.
SINCE THEN THE AREA HAS BEEN BLASTED AND RE-TARMACCED AS THE AREA WAS BEING PREPARED FOR RE-SURFACING-I TOOK SOME PHOTOS AT THE TIME OF THE TICKET ISSUE AND AFTERWARDS.
PLEASE COULD ANYONE GIVE ME SOME ADVICE AS I WANT TO FIGHT THE TICKET-AS I WAS NOT CAUSING AN OBSTRUCTION.
THANKYOU
dave-o
Can i give a quick suggestion - please don't use a huge font and ALL CAPS, as it its hard to read.

The first thing is to scan/photo the PCN and post it here, along with the picture of the bus stop markings you took. If it is as you say, then it's most likely unenforcable.
Neil B
Beat me to it Dave.

Why are we shouting!!!!! Is your problem more important than anyone else's?

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nikkietoni
sorry about the font-will do!!!!not sure how to place pics on site

Neil B
See FAQs > "Read this first".
nikkietoni
sorry again, I am new to the site and didn't mean to shout-please don't be horrid to me.Can you tell me how to put the pics on?please
Neil B
Post #5
dave-o
Posting Photos
nikkietoni






the top three photos are showing the bay and the bus stop exactly as I returned to my car when I received the ticket
the last picture is the road now-re-tarmacced 2 days later!!
not sure what markings are on the road now-will need to go and see.
hope this helps.thanks.
dave-o
It doesn't really matter what the markings are like now.

Those top markings don't look right to me. I'm sure someone'll be along soon to point out what's wrong with them.
nikkietoni
hi just that the shop-keeper said that she thought the bus stop had been put there temporarily because of the road-works further up the road.
bama
maybe they are okay
http://web.mac.com/rmbscarb/iWeb/rmbconsul...0challenge.html
Neil B
Pretty sure the bay isn't a bus stop. Can we see the PCN please - all of it.
southpaw82
No plate?
dave-o
And; what is the ticket actually for?
Does it really say Contravention code XX parked on a bus stop?
Neil B
This is a bus stop.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2002/023113bd.gif

She said "parkin g on or near a bus stop" but that sounds wierd?
need that PCN.
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nikkietoni


sorry thought it said on or near bus stop!!
southpaw82
And the back...
Neil B
QUOTE (Neil B @ Wed, 6 Aug 2008 - 13:31) *
Can we see the PCN please - all of it.


Yawn!
dave-o
It's clearly not parked on a bus stop or stand though is it gang?

That's enough for a "contravention as stated did not occur" appeal, no?
southpaw82
It appears to be parked on graffiti.
Neil B
I'd agree at the moment Dave but we're not being told about any signs that might have been around and confuse the issue. Looks good so far though.
nikkietoni
nikkietoni
sorry for being so slow adding the items!!
dave-o
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nikkietoni
it is so great for you all to help-I couldn't find anything about bus stops-at the moment all our town centre is being renovated and upgraded-loads of building work , and the car parks are very limited-basically there is no-where to park, but the traffic wardens are out in their thousands!!!so everyone in Urmston is fuming about the parking and the amount of tickets being issued!!
Neil B
You're doing fine - a lot better than the 'post and go' brigade. If i was rude earlier it was only cos your font gave me a bloody headache!

can you confirm there were no signs at all apart from the bus stop? No smallish lates on lamp posts?

I'm torn at the moment whether you should make an immediate informal challenge or get a look at the TRO. They are not absolutely gauranteeig to extend the discount period but should't matter much since you apparently have a fairly strong case.
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anyone's thoughts? Informal appeal or TRO first?

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nikkietoni
hi I didn't notice anything else-just a sign restricting the parking to one hour and no return within the hour I think?this sign was at the start of the bay-at the completion of double yellows, on a corner further up the road, but what is a TRO?thanks..
Neil B
That sign is important. It sounds like it refers to the marked area (bay) your were parked in.

TRO is a Traffic Regulation Order. available by request or to view at Council offices - wherever they direct you - Town Hall?
some on-line but unlikely.
This will describe the actual intended restrictions at the location. Itwill be very specific about location so although a big document you only need to look at the bit you want.

Given that it is clearly not marked as a bus stop I would say you needn't do this. At the moment I'm thinking you should just make an informal challenge.

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nikkietoni
thanks for that-so do I challenge it on the grounds that it was not marker as a bus-stop?
dave-o
QUOTE (Neil B @ Wed, 6 Aug 2008 - 14:17) *
If i was rude earlier it was only cos your font gave me a bloody headache!



Neil, you weren't rude, you were "horrid"! tongue.gif

Anyway, Nikkie, you need to appeal on the grounds that "The contravention as stated did not happen" as there were no bus stop markings. Their photographic evidence should back this up.

If they don't go for that right away (which would be stupid) then you will get them eventually.
nikkietoni
thanks so much for all your help-have to go now-but I appreciate you and everyone for helping-so glad I found this website-will tell everyone about it-will let you know how I get one!!
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