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BritishBlue
Just noticed this on BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseys...ide/3605446.stm

Could prove to be very interesting... icon_wink.gif
AtW
oh why oh why he did not dig deeper to get all calibration certs, pics etc and then cast doubt on the device itself? If they device is clearly wrong about 115mph, then how can we be sure its correct about any other reading?!?!
skorpion
Wouldn't have mattered, the CPS dropped the speeding charge before it could be heard.

I'm more interested in the history behind it though; why was he found guilty of driving without due care and attention?
AtW
He pleaded guilty to it:

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Mr Lucas pleaded guilty to a separate charge of driving without due care and attention, for which he received three penalty points and a £40 fine.


Now why he did that is a question...
Talion
plea bargin or sorts, sentenct seems a bit low even for a straight speeding let alone DWDC
AtW
QUOTE (Talion)
plea bargin or sorts, sentenct seems a bit low even for a straight speeding let alone DWDC


Plea bargain exactly - but why would someone in a strong position like that guy agree to any plea bargain? I mean he gone as far as getting solicitor and doing some tests on track, he proved that police's figures could not have been right, why agree to any bargains???!?!?!
anton
A Bit Of Background To This Case
(sign him up)

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml...storyID=6093285

Lucas spent 18 months fighting the charges, hiring a traffic consultant to test drive his Punto on a private racecourse. He found the best the car could manage, going downhill with a following wind, was 104 mph.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100new...ll&siteid=50061

Steve, 20, from St Helens, was convinced that his humble Punto's 1.2-litre engine was not capable of such a speed. His solicitor Sean Joyce, a partner with Stephensons law firm in St Helens, also tried to reason with the West Yorkshire force but without success.
So the pair challenged the force by paying for former police officer Doug Boulton, now a road traffic consultant, to race the unlikely hot rod around Bruntingthorpe test track in Leicestershire.
Using satellite and computer technology, Doug put Steve's bright yellow runaround through its paces. His report on the car's maximum performance showed it was capable of a top speed of 104mph.

When the case came to court, the prosecution dropped the speeding charge and Steve pleaded guilty to driving without due care and attention because he undertook a vehicle on the motorway. He received three points on his licence, a £40 fine and £80 court costs.


http://www.holford.org.uk/mt/archives/000523.html

THE COST OF TRUTH
Surely they thought they were witnessing a miracle. West Yorkshire police (yes it's them again) clocked a Fiat Punto on the motorway at 115 mph. After all, the Punto doesn't even do 115. Not deterred by the laws of physics or the protestations of the driver (after he realised it wasn't a joke), they were determined to throw the book at him, get an automatic driving ban and an fine of up to £2,500 - not to mention sending his insurance premiums through the roof.
skorpion
Can't he sue for malicious prosecution and get some compensation to cover his defence costs?

£2000 to prove your innocence, or £60 + 3 points and it'll all go away.

No wonder so many people are scared to fight.
anton
he saved himself from a ban..and a 2000 fine? Yipee
he was under taking traffic at 85 mph!
If he was completly not guilty he could have claimed costs
He could now launch a police complaint to investigate the wrong reading and processes/conduct of officers?
He has got his firm some effective publicity.
police look like ***** and news story has gone world wide
Talion
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Steve pleaded guilty to driving without due care and attention because he undertook a vehicle on the motorway


Didn't some goof in the houses of pathetic people, I mean MP in the house of parliment say undertaking was ok ?
Clear Skies
QUOTE (Talion)
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Steve pleaded guilty to driving without due care and attention because he undertook a vehicle on the motorway


Didn't some goof in the houses of pathetic people, I mean MP in the house of parliment say undertaking was ok ?


yes, onto a slip or similar, but he also said it was illegal, but everyone does it.. and the police should get a life, and really ignore that type of minor infringement , unless clearly stupid and dangerous , I believe it was mr norris.


rgds
bill
Mr Rusty
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The police were indeed using the LTi 20-20 dodgyscope in this case.


which surely must make it even more essential that everyone receives a copy of their full video so that they can have the video verified for themselves biggrin.gif
Talion
QUOTE (Bill)
yes, onto a slip or similar, but he also said it was illegal, but everyone does it.. and the police should get a life, and really ignore that type of minor infringement , unless clearly stupid and dangerous , I believe it was mr norris.
rgds
bill


bet there wasn't any mention of prats doing 40-50 in the middle lane.
Mika
Hi all,

Tyler-D wrote to the defendant’s solicitor and the police were not using an LTi 20-20 in this case.

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