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adz
NIP wizard answers

These are the answers you've given so far:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

Complete the PACE witness statement.

After reading about PACE, what are the outcomes after sending a PACE statement? When should the PACE statement be sent?

After 6 months do I have to provide details of the driver, will they receive the fine and 3 points?

Help will be much appreciated.

Thanks.
nemo
You need to go back, re-do the NIP Wizard and include the 'Additional Questions' on Page 2...wink.gif

Paste the whole lot back into this thread when done..
adz
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Lancashire Constabulary
Date of the offence: - June 2007
Date of the NIP: - 4 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 5 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A666 50mph Blackburn/Bolton Road, (N), Darwen (E Div) Mobile
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? -
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Was driving from Bolton to Blackburn and Police Camera Van was parked. 50mph zone and I was quoted doing 58mph. I was driving towards the Van.

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v2.2.3: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:51:10 +0100
adz
After reading about PACE,

what are the outcomes after sending a PACE statement?

When should the PACE statement be sent?

After 6 months do I have to provide details of the driver, will they receive the fine and 3 points or is the NIP dropped?
7159keith
Bit confused you say will the driver get the points but on the NIP wizard you say you were driving.

Could you clarify
/dev/null
QUOTE (adz @ Tue, 26 Jun 2007 - 14:54) *
After reading about PACE,

what are the outcomes after sending a PACE statement?

When should the PACE statement be sent?

After 6 months do I have to provide details of the driver, will they receive the fine and 3 points or is the NIP dropped?



1) You will likely be summoned to court however you have a greater chance of getting off with the current ECHR ruling due in a few days. However, you will likely be fined more than the normal £60 and will have costs + victims fee (£10).

2) The pace statement should be sent special delivery 27 days after the notice (so it arrives on day 28).

3) No, you have to provide within 28 days else you will be summoned to court for failure to provide driver details, landing you with probably 3 points and ~£300 fine (+ costs etc). If you do provide details, you will be offered a fixed penalty offer of 3 points and £60 fine (providing you don't already have 9 points). The 6 months you speak of is the time the CPS have to lay the information with the magistrates court (not to the date of the actual trial).
adz
QUOTE (7159keith @ Tue, 26 Jun 2007 - 15:25) *
Bit confused you say will the driver get the points but on the NIP wizard you say you were driving.

Could you clarify


I want to avoid the 3 points.
adz
QUOTE (/dev/null @ Tue, 26 Jun 2007 - 15:28) *
QUOTE (adz @ Tue, 26 Jun 2007 - 14:54) *
After reading about PACE,

what are the outcomes after sending a PACE statement?

When should the PACE statement be sent?

After 6 months do I have to provide details of the driver, will they receive the fine and 3 points or is the NIP dropped?



1) You will likely be summoned to court however you have a greater chance of getting off with the current ECHR ruling due in a few days. However, you will likely be fined more than the normal £60 and will have costs + victims fee (£10).

2) The pace statement should be sent special delivery 27 days after the notice (so it arrives on day 28).

3) No, you have to provide within 28 days else you will be summoned to court for failure to provide driver details, landing you with probably 3 points and ~£300 fine (+ costs etc). If you do provide details, you will be offered a fixed penalty offer of 3 points and £60 fine (providing you don't already have 9 points). The 6 months you speak of is the time the CPS have to lay the information with the magistrates court (not to the date of the actual trial).


Thanks!

1) Please could you give me more Information on the current ECHR ruling?

2) Thanks what should the PACE statement ideally contain? Any tips?

3) What if I wasnt sure of who the driver was etc for the following 6 months and hope for time out, so that the NIP is dropped?
mrdc
QUOTE (adz @ Tue, 26 Jun 2007 - 15:53) *
QUOTE (/dev/null @ Tue, 26 Jun 2007 - 15:28) *
QUOTE (adz @ Tue, 26 Jun 2007 - 14:54) *
After reading about PACE,

what are the outcomes after sending a PACE statement?

When should the PACE statement be sent?

After 6 months do I have to provide details of the driver, will they receive the fine and 3 points or is the NIP dropped?



1) You will likely be summoned to court however you have a greater chance of getting off with the current ECHR ruling due in a few days. However, you will likely be fined more than the normal £60 and will have costs + victims fee (£10).

2) The pace statement should be sent special delivery 27 days after the notice (so it arrives on day 28).

3) No, you have to provide within 28 days else you will be summoned to court for failure to provide driver details, landing you with probably 3 points and ~£300 fine (+ costs etc). If you do provide details, you will be offered a fixed penalty offer of 3 points and £60 fine (providing you don't already have 9 points). The 6 months you speak of is the time the CPS have to lay the information with the magistrates court (not to the date of the actual trial).


Thanks!

1) Please could you give me more Information on the current ECHR ruling?

2) Thanks what should the PACE statement ideally contain? Any tips?

3) What if I wasnt sure of who the driver was etc for the following 6 months and hope for time out, so that the NIP is dropped?



I think you need to spend some time doing a bit of research. Have a really good read under the FAQ's all the answers to your questions and the info you could possibly need will be there.
adz
Cheers, im going to have a read now.

Il post updates here or if I seek any advice.
adz
The course is offered as an alternative to points and a fine for those caught speeding at 36-38mph in a 30mph zone, 47-49mph for those caught in a 40 mph zone and 58-59 mph in a 50 mph zone.

For further information ring 0800 328 1635 or log onto www.lancashireroadsafety.co.uk

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/new...amp;r=PR05/0448

The above info was in 2005.

Anyone has more information on speed awareness course 2007, Lancashire.

I was doing 58mph in 50mph zone does this mean I can take speed awareness course?
adz
Whats the difference:

1. NIP with conditional offer

2. NIP that doesnt mention anything about a conditional offer
Monster 900
QUOTE (adz @ Tue, 26 Jun 2007 - 19:09) *
The course is offered as an alternative to points and a fine for those caught speeding at 36-38mph in a 30mph zone, 47-49mph for those caught in a 40 mph zone and 58-59 mph in a 50 mph zone.

For further information ring 0800 328 1635 or log onto www.lancashireroadsafety.co.uk

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/new...amp;r=PR05/0448

The above info was in 2005.

Anyone has more information on speed awareness course 2007, Lancashire.

I was doing 58mph in 50mph zone does this mean I can take speed awareness course?


Only if they offer it to you. It's at their discretion.
Monster 900
QUOTE (adz @ Tue, 26 Jun 2007 - 19:13) *
Whats the difference:

1. NIP with conditional offer

2. NIP that doesnt mention anything about a conditional offer


You're going to make yourself unpopular posting multiple threads for the same offence. It's one thread for each offence here but lots of help if you follow the rules.

Please visit the READ ME FIRST section (Click Here), answer all the questions in the NIP Wizard, and then post the Wizard's output back here to enable us to help you.
RD400E
QUOTE (Monster 900 @ Tue, 26 Jun 2007 - 19:42) *
QUOTE (adz @ Tue, 26 Jun 2007 - 19:09) *
The course is offered as an alternative to points and a fine for those caught speeding at 36-38mph in a 30mph zone, 47-49mph for those caught in a 40 mph zone and 58-59 mph in a 50 mph zone.

For further information ring 0800 328 1635 or log onto www.lancashireroadsafety.co.uk

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/new...amp;r=PR05/0448

The above info was in 2005.

Anyone has more information on speed awareness course 2007, Lancashire.

I was doing 58mph in 50mph zone does this mean I can take speed awareness course?


Only if they offer it to you. It's at their discretion.


Yep, it all depends on if the coffers need a top-up or not mad.gif
Maxtrident
I did read on a Speed camera/Rd safety partnership website that they use a formula to decide who is offered a speed correctional/safety course.

It is only offered if the offending speed does not exceed the speed limit plus 10% of that speed limit plus two.

In other words in a 30mph the top limit would be 30 plus 3 plus 2 = 35mph
Or in a 40mph

40mph plus 4 plus 2 = 46mph
50mph plus 5 plus 2 = 57mph
60mph plus 6 plus 2 = 68mph
70mph plus 7 plus 2 = 79mph

Anything that falls above those limits automatically excludes you from the opportunity of a course. The proposed formula was thought up by one of the regions chief constables.

I hope this info is useful, can't find the original site but I'm sure if you searceh on Google you will find it.
The Rookie
To answer your original Q though, the only difference is where it comes from, Kent, Scumbia and one other issue combine NIP/CoFP (they are of dubious legality, but are probably used to make their life easier and maximise profit) but that aside, there is nothing to be read into it!

Simon
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