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PaulFinchley
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Can anyone tell me what the procedure is for a driver with Republic of Ireland license caught speeding in England by camera van. Car is registered to owner in England.
90 in a 70 dual carriageway.

Will the driver get any points on their Irish license or a fine?
Also if the driver applies for a UK license in the future, will the offence be take into consideration?

Thanks.
Teufel
if convicted they will be fined same as uk

the uk cannot endorse a foreign licence

the uk creates a shadow uk licnece whcih will be taken into account
if they apply for a uk licence

if they have insurance in ireland they would need to mention the conviction
just as a uk driver should if they were convicted in ireland
PaulFinchley
Teufel, on your last point, I'm not sure if this is correct.

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry151643

Relevant bit: "You don't have to declare overseas speeding fines to your insurance company, only points on your (relevant) license. So if you're next insurance will be with a RoI company, don't worry."

Surely convictions applies only to the jurisdiction in which the insurance is sought? The insurance company would have no way of checking if there are convictions outside of the region. For example, my insurance company would not be able to check with France, Spain, Latvia etc for speeding convictions.
PaulFinchley
I should add for clarity, the driver is an Irish citizen with an Irish license, resident in the Republic of Ireland. He does not live, and has no intention of living, in the UK.
PaulFinchley
Another question: How much is first class post?

The NIP was sent with a "POSTAGE PAID 32P" mark on it. Royal Mail's website says first class is 34p. (Pricing effective from April 2nd 2007, letter sent in May)


Thanks.
nemo
QUOTE (PaulFinchley @ Thu, 10 May 2007 - 21:42) *
Another question: How much is first class post?

The NIP was sent with a "POSTAGE PAID 32P" mark on it. Royal Mail's website says first class is 34p. (Pricing effective from April 2nd 2007, letter sent in May)

First class franked letter postage is 32p..
Teufel
although consumer law has softened this somewhat insurance remains
a contract of utmost good faith with a duty to dislose relevant matters

i would imagine that convictions for motoring offences abroad are relevant

i would be happy to have this assertion corrected in the particular but the principle i use
is clearly established
mudmover
I would have thought the scammers will drop the case because the driver does not have a UK address. The registered keeper of ther car will presumably nominate the Irish driver and furnish his Irish address. Unless there is an agreement between the UK and Eire (which I don't believe there is) the case will go no further because the scammers have no jurisdiction in the Republic. Therefore no offence - nothing to tell the insurers.

If there is something I have missed and the Irish driver is collared,

QUOTE (teufel)
if convicted they will be fined same as uk

the uk cannot endorse a foreign licence

the uk creates a shadow uk licnece whcih will be taken into account
if they apply for a uk licence




All that teufel says is true, but don't rely on the scammers/courts to know that when it comes to the fine imposed.

The scammers will refer the matter to a magistrates court because they cannot deal with non-DVLA licence holders.

Once your friends summons arrives he must explain to the court, in words of one syllabul, that he has a right to be treated the same as a DVLA licence holder. IE if a fixed penalty of £60 was on offer that is all he should be fined, and he should not have to pay any court costs because it is not his fault that our system is unable to procees a non-DVLA licence holder with a fixed penalty.

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