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John121
Hey guys,
I was driving my dads vehicle on Queensbridge Road, and speed limit was 20mph.

Speed camera was next to traffic lights, I do remember slightly accelerating to pass the traffic light as it was about to turn red, however I'm sure I didn't go over 20mph.

However the camera did flash, after having observed the camera it seems as though its for 2 lanes so I can't remember if there was anyone on the other lane which it may have flashed for. But I do remember the traffic lights just about turning red when I went past them, so not sure if these cameras are designed to flash if you go through red light.

Below is the location of the camera: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5353415,-...3312!8i6656

Please let me know your thoughts? Also if It does turn out to be a speeding ticket or going through red light, whats the possible fines or points I am likely to receive?

Ive never had any points in my life nor have I received any speeding fines before.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Thanks
BaggieBoy
It's certainly monitoring the red light, it might also be a speed camera. However if you saw the light red as you passed it, it's highly likely you have been detected for the red light offence. It would be 3 points and £100 fixed penalty.
Logician
Or a course for either offence, provided you have not done for a similar offence within the last three years
John121
Wow. I'm definitely screwed then. Yes I've never done a course. Do there allow you do a course if you go through red light? I thought course was more for speeding.

Also will there be a fine associated with this?

Any way whatsoever this can be overturned?
BaggieBoy
QUOTE (John121 @ Wed, 13 Mar 2019 - 06:46) *
Wow. I'm definitely screwed then. Yes I've never done a course. Do there allow you do a course if you go through red light? I thought course was more for speeding.

There are courses for offences other than speeding, red light offences is one.

QUOTE (John121 @ Wed, 13 Mar 2019 - 06:46) *
Also will there be a fine associated with this?

There is a course fee, probably around the same cost as the fixed penalty fine, i.e. £100.

QUOTE (John121 @ Wed, 13 Mar 2019 - 06:46) *
Any way whatsoever this can be overturned?

If you actually passed the stop line when the light is red, probably no. Red light camera are notorious for being accurate.
Jlc
QUOTE (John121 @ Tue, 12 Mar 2019 - 23:20) *
Speed camera was next to traffic lights, I do remember slightly accelerating to pass the traffic light as it was about to turn red, however I'm sure I didn't go over 20mph.

An amber light means stop - it is illuminated for around 3 seconds. You can only pass during the amber phase if you a so close to the stop line you cannot stop before red is illuminated. Accelerating is generally an indication you should have stopped.

If you have been caught then you would have passed at red. The camera doesn't arm until a short time after red is illuminated. Like many posters that insist they passed at amber often find the pictures show a clear red.

But for now you have to wait and see if your Dad receives a NIP (within 14 days if he is the registered keeper). They may supply a photo if asked.
John121
OMG - my dads going to kill me. If nothing is received within 14 days does that mean its safe to presume I wont get anything?

Also, I was the driver so is it right in thinking that my dad wont be affected as I will have to give my details and possibly do the course?
666
QUOTE (Jlc @ Wed, 13 Mar 2019 - 08:33) *
QUOTE (John121 @ Tue, 12 Mar 2019 - 23:20) *
Speed camera was next to traffic lights, I do remember slightly accelerating to pass the traffic light as it was about to turn red, however I'm sure I didn't go over 20mph.

An amber light means stop - it is illuminated for around 3 seconds. You can only pass during the amber phase if you a so close to the stop line you cannot stop before red is illuminated. Accelerating is generally an indication you should have stopped.

If you have been caught then you would have passed at red. The camera doesn't arm until a short time after red is illuminated. Like many posters that insist they passed at amber often find the pictures show a clear red.


Don't forget also that the offence is committed when any part of the vehicle crosses the line. You may well see amber from the driver's seat, but there are several feet of car behind you still to cross the line.
Slapdash
QUOTE (John121 @ Wed, 13 Mar 2019 - 08:42) *
OMG - my dads going to kill me. If nothing is received within 14 days does that mean its safe to presume I wont get anything?

Also, I was the driver so is it right in thinking that my dad wont be affected as I will have to give my details and possibly do the course?


Your dad is affected - in a minor way.

The first NIP will be sent to the registered keeper of the car. That may not be dad. If the car is on finance it is most likely the finance company. Or it could be his company if a company car or a leasing company.

The finance company will nominate your dad as he is the keeper on a daily basis. It is only this nip which is affected by the 14 day rule.

When your dad gets a NIP in his name he needs to respond saying "junior was driving". Hence he is affected in that he must do something. It also means he is aware of the incident.

If he doesnt respind within the correct timeframe then he commits an offence (a more serious one than the underlying offence).




Jlc
QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 13 Mar 2019 - 09:12) *
Don't forget also that the offence is committed when any part of the vehicle crosses the line. You may well see amber from the driver's seat, but there are several feet of car behind you still to cross the line.

That's true but the small delay in the camera arming would usually cover this from an ACD point of view (even if the offence was strictly committed).

QUOTE (John121 @ Wed, 13 Mar 2019 - 08:42) *
OMG - my dads going to kill me. If nothing is received within 14 days does that mean its safe to presume I wont get anything?

Also, I was the driver so is it right in thinking that my dad wont be affected as I will have to give my details and possibly do the course?

If caught it's a relatively minor offence. If he is the registered keeper then notification needs to be sent to him within 14 days. He simply names you and you receive your own nomination form to complete before offers are made (course/fixed penalty etc.)

But this is all supposition at the moment...
John121
Why is it supposition? You reckon it might not come through.

I can confirm car is NOT on lease or financial agreement and its my dads privately owned car and he is the registered owner and keeper of the car.

If notification is not received within 14 days is this a valid ground to challenge?
The Rookie
He may be the registered keeper, he can’t be the registered owner as that concept doesn’t exist.
DancingDad
Tell dad now.
Yes he may shout and bawl but at least he knows something may drop through the post.
If it does, he must respond. Naming you and providing your details.
You will then get your own letter that you must respond to.
No point worrying on it, it either will happen or it won't.
Nowt you can do will alter that and worrying serves no purpose.
If something does come though, dad then you must deal with it.
Which may mean a course or points and a fine but either way, it is that or accept that it could go to court and the likely ramifications of that.

What neither you or your dad must do is ignore any notice that comes through.
Or be tempted to lie.
Either choice will lead to far worse results then you face at the moment.
John121
Very helpful. Thats fine.

I'll let him know and defo respond.

Thanks a million.
DancingDad
IF something does come through, post it up in the speeding/criminal forum and let the experts on there comment.
Something may be possible, may not but at least you will know.
southpaw82
Your dad may be affected if it increases his insurance premium.
DancingDad
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 13 Mar 2019 - 13:17) *
Your dad may be affected if it increases his insurance premium.


Something Dad can rectify by removing you from named driver list if you do end up with points and insurance need notifying (or asks at renewal)
Or charge you the extra biggrin.gif

John121
I'm not even on his insurance policy.
I have my own insurance policy which also covers me as any driver on another vehicle.
stamfordman
I drive through that junction often twice a day sometimes n/s sometimes e/w - on n/s I've never seen anyone set off that camera.
John121
Not sure about near side but the left side (driver side) it defo does flash.
Jlc
QUOTE (John121 @ Wed, 13 Mar 2019 - 14:26) *
I'm not even on his insurance policy.
I have my own insurance policy which also covers me as any driver on another vehicle.

There are quite often very specific requirements to DOV. Have you double-checked them? (An age limitation for example)
John121
Below are the requirements: Driving Other Cars (DOC) provides Third Party Only cover and is restricted to policyholders only and will not apply to policyholders aged under 25 and/or policyholders engaged in the motor trade.
I can confirm I meet all the above requirements.

I also know 1 of the requirements is that the vehicle you are driving must be insured by someone else. I believe my father has business insurance on it, so it should allow me to drive it as any driver as per my policy.
peterguk
QUOTE (John121 @ Thu, 14 Mar 2019 - 12:36) *
I believe my father has business insurance on it

You need to know, not "believe".
DancingDad
Seems fair enough.
A policy I had with Hastings specifically excluded family members from DOV.
Not saying yours does but it peed me orfe.
John121
Yes definitely has business insurance with the vehicle :-)
John121
Hey guys,
Today is the 14th day and I have not received any ticket.

Is it safe to say I've been let off the hook on this occasion?
notmeatloaf
No, because the normal advice is for the registered keeper to go get the physical log book and make sure their details are correct. A surprising number of people who are sure they are the RK actually aren't - and you are relaying information second hand.

If you are correct that your Dad has the V5C - or perhaps slightly easier, receives the car tax letters direct from the DVLA (and it isn't a Motability car) then you are correct, in the very unlikely event they send your Dad a NIP then there would be a statutory defence.
John121
I can confirm that my Father is the registered keeper of the vehicle (has the V5 log book registered to his name/address and also receives road tax letters for his vehicle named and addressed to him).
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