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Dave28
Hi all,

I need some advice.

My wife has managed to get 4 speeding tickets (SP30) in two weeks from the same camera. All were 34 or 35MPH in a 30. She has no excuse, it was just that they turned it on and she got caught out. It is one of those roads that feels it should be faster, but she has no excuse.

We were hoping she would get an awareness course, but we found out today that she didn't qualify as she did one less than 3 years ago.

I guess we have to go to court, but what should we do? It would be really bad for our kids if she lost her license as they would be the ones to suffer as they will miss after school clubs, activities etc as she would not be able to take them.

Should we get a lawyer? or try and plead our case ourselves.?

thanks in advance.
Jlc
Have you asked the Force to consider dropping some of the offences given that she wasn't given an opportunity to regulate her driving. (Presuming all of the offences occurred before the 1st NIP was received) Basically, a begging letter.

Otherwise, it's a visit to court with an exceptional hardship plea. The impact on others carries more weight. The general advice is to present your own hardship case. (But others have sworn on representation)
The Rookie
You (well she) can present a case for exceptional hardship should sh be banned for the normal 6 months to reduce (potentially to zero) the period of disqualification, there is no need for an expensive legal professional for that and arguably it comes better from the person involved (who would have to attend anyway).

Are you sure some of the cases are for 34 as normal enforcement starts at 35, we've had anecdotal reports of some below that but never any evidence.
Dave28
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 10 Sep 2018 - 13:49) *
Are you sure some of the cases are for 34 as normal enforcement starts at 35, we've had anecdotal reports of some below that but never any evidence.


Sorry, you are right. It was 3 x @35mph and 1 x @ 36mph
Jlc
Slightly annoying as enforcement begins at 35mph. What stage is she at? (Has the driver been nominated?)
Dave28
QUOTE (Jlc @ Mon, 10 Sep 2018 - 13:47) *
Have you asked the Force to consider dropping some of the offences given that she wasn't given an opportunity to regulate her driving. (Presuming all of the offences occurred before the 1st NIP was received) Basically, a begging letter.

Otherwise, it's a visit to court with an exceptional hardship plea. The impact on others carries more weight. The general advice is to present your own hardship case. (But others have sworn on representation)



Thanks both for the feedback.

No, all offences happened before we got the first NIP.

We haven't accepted responsibility yet for the last 3 NIPs as we were waiting to see if she was offered the course, now we know we haven't, we shall respond back with the last 3 NIPs and do as you say, write a letter asking if they would consider dropping one or more of them.

We have also spoken to a lawyer who says she has a very good case, mainly because of the above. It won't be cheap though.

Will keep you updated.

Thanks again.
The Rookie
Send all three back together and reference the first as well, add a covering letter, we have seen cases were police forces will drop one or two as a gesture of goodwill, will be still likely left on 9 and having to drive like Miss daisy is in the car for 3 years though.
Dave28
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 10 Sep 2018 - 15:36) *
Send all three back together and reference the first as well, add a covering letter, we have seen cases were police forces will drop one or two as a gesture of goodwill, will be still likely left on 9 and having to drive like Miss daisy is in the car for 3 years though.



We'd take that!!

Thanks again.
Jlc
QUOTE (Dave28 @ Mon, 10 Sep 2018 - 14:50) *
We have also spoken to a lawyer who says she has a very good case, mainly because of the above. It won't be cheap though.

Sorry, a good case to 'drop' some of the offences or the EH plea?
Jlc
Worth a read here.
Dave28
QUOTE (Jlc @ Mon, 10 Sep 2018 - 16:31) *
QUOTE (Dave28 @ Mon, 10 Sep 2018 - 14:50) *
We have also spoken to a lawyer who says she has a very good case, mainly because of the above. It won't be cheap though.

Sorry, a good case to 'drop' some of the offences or the EH plea?



The lawyer advised that the EH was the best route to go, but he did say it was possible for them to drop one of the NIPs, and said it was worth a go asking.
peterguk
QUOTE (Dave28 @ Tue, 11 Sep 2018 - 09:02) *
he did say it was possible for them to drop one of the NIPs, and said it was worth a go asking.


You don't need to pay a lawyer to do that.
Dave28
QUOTE (peterguk @ Tue, 11 Sep 2018 - 09:07) *
QUOTE (Dave28 @ Tue, 11 Sep 2018 - 09:02) *
he did say it was possible for them to drop one of the NIPs, and said it was worth a go asking.


You don't need to pay a lawyer to do that.



Absolutley, I am just drafting the apology letter and will send it off with the 3 NIPs we have left.

Fingers crossed!

If they do drop one it would be amazing, my poor wife is driving everywhere at 20mph at the moment as she is so paranoid she will get caught again.
The Rookie
Just keep it short and simple, do not attempt in any way to try and justify the actions, just inattentiveness, been a wake up call, much more aware now, had no chance to moderate her driving before receiving the first NIP etc.
Earl Purple
QUOTE (Dave28 @ Tue, 11 Sep 2018 - 09:45) *
Absolutley, I am just drafting the apology letter and will send it off with the 3 NIPs we have left.

Fingers crossed!

If they do drop one it would be amazing, my poor wife is driving everywhere at 20mph at the moment as she is so paranoid she will get caught again.


If she is still able to drive, then does your car have cruise control? If not it is worth changing the car for one that does and she may find it a bit easier to stay at the correct speed whilst watching the road.

Don't rely on 10%+2 over, just drive at the limit.
nigelbb
QUOTE (Earl Purple @ Fri, 14 Sep 2018 - 11:07) *
QUOTE (Dave28 @ Tue, 11 Sep 2018 - 09:45) *
Absolutley, I am just drafting the apology letter and will send it off with the 3 NIPs we have left.

Fingers crossed!

If they do drop one it would be amazing, my poor wife is driving everywhere at 20mph at the moment as she is so paranoid she will get caught again.


If she is still able to drive, then does your car have cruise control? If not it is worth changing the car for one that does and she may find it a bit easier to stay at the correct speed whilst watching the road.

Don't rely on 10%+2 over, just drive at the limit.

I always have TomTom with over limit warnings running on my phone even on short journeys like to & from work. In fact it's the familiar journeys where you are on automatic pilot when it is all too easy to creep up over the speed limit & a klaxon from the satnav is a useful reminder plus it gives me warning beeps at known speed camera locations.
Dave28
Update!

I sent off the letter to the police with the three NIPs with an apology letter.

Amazing news, they decided to cancel two out of the three NIPs! This means she gets 6 points only.

My wife is so relieved and thanks to all who offered advice. It is hugely appreciated.
Jlc
That is a good result!
The Rookie
Good result, shows that despite the perception they are not all evil automatons!
SC86
Hi All,

Can I ask which county was this in please. I am in a similar position and petrified that I am going to lose my license.

Im currently waiting for the NIP's to arrive in my name as they have gone to my employer.
Ocelot
QUOTE (SC86 @ Thu, 8 Nov 2018 - 11:47) *
Hi All,

Can I ask which county was this in please. I am in a similar position and petrified that I am going to lose my license.

Im currently waiting for the NIP's to arrive in my name as they have gone to my employer.


It must be England or Wales as they don't have them in Scotland.
Logician
QUOTE (Ocelot @ Thu, 8 Nov 2018 - 20:32) *
QUOTE (SC86 @ Thu, 8 Nov 2018 - 11:47) *
Hi All, Can I ask which county was this in please. I am in a similar position and petrified that I am going to lose my license. Im currently waiting for the NIP's to arrive in my name as they have gone to my employer.
It must be England or Wales as they don't have them in Scotland.


They don't have what in Scotland?

Jlc
Courses... But that still leaves it to be around one of almost 50 counties...
Ocelot
Yes, I meant courses, but I don't think that many countries have SP30s, NIPs and the points system.
NewJudge
QUOTE (Ocelot @ Fri, 9 Nov 2018 - 15:33) *
Yes, I meant courses, but I don't think that many countries have SP30s, NIPs and the points system.

No but many counties do. SC86 was asking which county it occurred in.
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