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kommando
And another one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/0...course-justice/

A Labour whip and ally of Jeremy Corbyn has been charged with perverting the course of justice after allegations that she tried to give away speeding points a month after her election.

Fiona Onasanya, the Labour MP for Peterborough, appeared at Westminster magistrates court two weeks ago alongside her brother, Festus.

The former solicitor kept news of her arrest and charge secret while serving as a Labour whip. She is due back in court next month.

Solicitors and MP's seem to have issues with speeding tickets, this one is both !!!
ViroBono
From the Daily Mail, but also reported elsewhere:

QUOTE
Fiona Onasanya, 34, appeared at Westminster Magistrates Court on July 12
The Peterborough MP will appear at the Old Bailey for a hearing on August 13
The 34-year-old allegedly tried to avoid a speeding ticket on July 24 last year
Ms Onasanya is charged with two counts of perverting the course of justice
She is accused of lying to police after her brother was allegedly speeding


She's a Labour Whip, too, but failed to disclose the arrest and charge to the party.
southpaw82
I almost responded as if this was the NAAFI...
kommando
Already added to ongoing jail for speeding thread.
Fredd
QUOTE (kommando @ Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 21:34) *
Already added to ongoing jail for speeding thread.

Yes, but let's bear in mind that this one is an allegation, not a report of a conviction.
ViroBono
The trial began today, and is likely to last 7 days. Both accused pleaded not guilty.

Fredd
QUOTE (ViroBono @ Mon, 13 Aug 2018 - 15:02) *
The trial began today, and is likely to last 7 days. Both accused pleaded not guilty.

Just a plea at this stage, not the trial. The trial isn't due to start until 12 November.
StuartBu
QUOTE (kommando @ Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 19:34) *
And another one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/0...course-justice/

A Labour whip and ally of Jeremy

Quite why they had to mention Jeremy Corbyn is beyond me ( well it's not really) any excuse to drag his name in to things like this!
Churchmouse
QUOTE (StuartBu @ Mon, 13 Aug 2018 - 16:34) *
QUOTE (kommando @ Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 19:34) *
And another one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/0...course-justice/

A Labour whip and ally of Jeremy

Quite why they had to mention Jeremy Corbyn is beyond me ( well it's not really) any excuse to drag his name in to things like this!

Politicians are normally identified by party affiliation when they get caught doing something naughty, and someone in a high-profile role would probably have that role mentioned as well. I admit that the first thing I wanted to know when I heard that this had involved an MP was which party she belonged to...

--Churchmouse
Ocelot
QUOTE (StuartBu @ Mon, 13 Aug 2018 - 16:34) *
QUOTE (kommando @ Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 19:34) *
And another one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/0...course-justice/

A Labour whip and ally of Jeremy

Quite why they had to mention Jeremy Corbyn is beyond me ( well it's not really) any excuse to drag his name in to things like this!


The Torygraph and, in particular, the Mail, have an interest in dragging Jeremy Corbyn's name through the mud. The latter has at least 4 stories a day trying to implicate him with just about anything.
ViroBono
QUOTE (Ocelot @ Mon, 13 Aug 2018 - 19:15) *
QUOTE (StuartBu @ Mon, 13 Aug 2018 - 16:34) *
QUOTE (kommando @ Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 19:34) *
And another one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/0...course-justice/

A Labour whip and ally of Jeremy

Quite why they had to mention Jeremy Corbyn is beyond me ( well it's not really) any excuse to drag his name in to things like this!


The Torygraph and, in particular, the Mail, have an interest in dragging Jeremy Corbyn's name through the mud. The latter has at least 4 stories a day trying to implicate him with just about anything.



On the other hand, earlier today the BBC News website had 6 mentions of Boris & the burka, and none about Corbyn laying a wreath at memorial to terrorists. Aside from political bias, it's all rather tedious; Boris makes a habit of silly gaffes, and Corbyn has made a career or being sympathetic to terrorists.

DancingDad
A man is known by the company he keeps.
stamfordman
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Mon, 13 Aug 2018 - 21:02) *
A man is known by the company he keeps.



You mean like these two?

notmeatloaf
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Mon, 13 Aug 2018 - 21:02) *
A man is known by the company he keeps.

It might be stretching it a bit to say "keeping company". Some of Mrs NML's family are Israeli. Having spent quite a bit of time on the Middle East both sides are constantly trying to poke each other in the eye by proving a point to someone else. The Israeli government are just as fond at engineering gestures with foreign politicians.

When I was out there once on a night out in Jerusalem I met some nice chapswhi were very keen to make me wear some sort of cloak. Thinking it must be something innocuous I wore it and took some photos.

Next thing I know all hell breaks loose with Mrs NML family because apparently it is sure proof I am a terrorist sympathiser. They got bored when I laughed at them. But Israelis are just as keen to do their own "let's go see a settlement gosh isn't it lovely let's take some photis" mind games.

At a guess Corbyn is seen as more influential than me so will have this assault course daily, of course less now with more advisers.

I'd rather have a politician with conviction who stamps on toes even if occasionally they're the wrong ones. It's why I love the Italian government's response to the Genoa bridge collapse. On the basis of apparently no evidence they have said they will hunt down all the toll company execs past and presence, force them to pay €150m for a presumably luxurious new bridge, take away the contract anyway and it's all justified because they are quite legally based in Luxembourg.

If that was the M6 toll the company could have just taken delivery of a ton of dynamite ad some bridge drills and you'd still have Theresa May saying we simply must wait for the results of a seven year enquiry before making conclusions or starting work on repairs.
Redivi
He's come in for a lot of flak for his confusing account but I wonder if he was trying not to inflame the issue of alleged anti-semitism in the Labour Party

My understanding is that the memorial was to the 70+ people killed in Tunisia by Israel agents; Conservative and Liberal representatives as well as other international politicians were present and none of the Munich terrorists is buried in the cemetery



ViroBono
QUOTE (Redivi @ Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 08:45) *
He's come in for a lot of flak for his confusing account but I wonder if he was trying not to inflame the issue of alleged anti-semitism in the Labour Party

My understanding is that the memorial was to the 70+ people killed in Tunisia by Israel agents; Conservative and Liberal representatives as well as other international politicians were present and none of the Munich terrorists is buried in the cemetery


Corbyn might have got away with this excuse if it had been a one-off. But it isn't - he's been cosying up to terrorists and other unsavoury types for as long as he's been an MP. He claims that he does this to try to bring about peace by dialogue. Talking to only one side is not peacemaking; talking to only one side, taking that side and criticising the other side is not peacemaking. He appears to be too stupid to see that he is being manipulated. PIRA did it, the Czechs did it, and so, it seems, did the Palestinians. Anyone with any sense (of any party), would recognise that the hosts would be likely to exploit his attendance - there is no such thing as a free trip.

His non-verbal language when questioned on the issue shows that he's lying; and, of course, his story changed from the risible 'I was present but didn't take part' to admitting that he did lay a wreath, but claimed that it was not to terrorists. He's a narcissist who can never admit he's wrong or apologise.

As for not wanting to inflame the anti-Semitism issue, I'm sure that's right - he'd just like it all to go away so that he and his cabal of lickspittles can carry on with their bizarre Zionist conspiracy theories. Perhaps Shami 'Whitewash' Chakrabarti will be along to tell us that 'there's nothing to see here' shortly.
stamfordman
QUOTE (ViroBono @ Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 13:22) *
Corbyn might have got away with this excuse if it had been a one-off. But it isn't - he's been cosying up to terrorists and other unsavoury types for as long as he's been an MP. He claims that he does this to try to bring about peace by dialogue. Talking to only one side is not peacemaking; talking to only one side, taking that side and criticising the other side is not peacemaking.



All governments talk to proscribed organisations behind the scenes, and often encourage a symbiotic relationship (as Israel does with Hamas).

Leaders of those organisations often become statespeople feted by world leaders in life and death – Mandela, Arafat, Begin, McGuiness.

You make a false equivalence about 'both sides' when one is an oppressor. It's like giving equal time to climate change deniers. Standing up for what's right is Corbyn's track record.

As for "bizarre Zionist conspiracy" there's no need for conspiracy when Israel passes a nation state law that effectively establishes apartheid.

southpaw82
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 15:47) *
All governments talk to proscribed organisations

He’s not part of the government though.
stamfordman
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 15:55) *
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 15:47) *
All governments talk to proscribed organisations

He’s not part of the government though.


Indeed - not yet.

The point is hypocrisy - you can hardly complain about say someone talking to the IRA if Thatcher was doing it. So Corbyn went to meetings with Martin McGuiness - who ended up as a deputy first minister of Northern Ireland.

We need people championing causes and keeping them in the public eye.

The Israel boycott movement is a good example - if you want a laugh see this video of the 'Sussex Friends of Israel' founder in Brighton:

https://youtu.be/_irmCd_nI9A

DancingDad
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 15:47) *
......….As for "bizarre Zionist conspiracy" there's no need for conspiracy when Israel passes a nation state law that effectively establishes apartheid.


While I dislike many of the things Israel does, if they were to remove their forces and hang up their weapons, beat the swords into ploughshares, they would cease to exist within a very short space of time.
Exactly the same as in 1948 when the British pulled out and handed the keys to the Palestinians.
It does explain their policies a little, they know they exist solely for as long as they can defend themselves.
southpaw82
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 16:06) *
The point is hypocrisy - you can hardly complain about say someone talking to the IRA if Thatcher was doing it.

Is there not a difference between the British Government talking to a terrorist organisation in furtherance of government policy and an individual MP doing so unofficially and then, apparently, acting in sympathy with the aims of or in support of that terrorist organisation? Is it merely talking to them that matters or does the intention behind the talks have a bearing?
stamfordman
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 16:31) *
Is there not a difference between the British Government talking to a terrorist organisation in furtherance of government policy and an individual MP doing so unofficially and then, apparently, acting in sympathy with the aims of or in support of that terrorist organisation? Is it merely talking to them that matters or does the intention behind the talks have a bearing?


You can support the aims but not the means. This article is just up on the Guardian - it portrays Corbyn as anti-violence to a fault - he has to deny he is a total pacifist. The aims of a united Ireland and an end to discrimination against a minority in the north were good ones in my view and still are.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/a...sing-or-a-curse

How would characterise say Helen Suzman in South Africa, a politician who talked to the ANC leadership, including Mandela when he was imprisoned?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Suzman

As for "the British Government talking to a terrorist organisation in furtherance of government policy" - it wasn't public policy to talk to the IRA.
southpaw82
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 16:44) *
As for "the British Government talking to a terrorist organisation in furtherance of government policy" - it wasn't public policy to talk to the IRA.

Was it not? If it’s being done by the PM then the presumption would be that it was indeed government policy, openly admitted or not.
stamfordman
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 16:12) *
While I dislike many of the things Israel does, if they were to remove their forces and hang up their weapons, beat the swords into ploughshares, they would cease to exist within a very short space of time.
Exactly the same as in 1948 when the British pulled out and handed the keys to the Palestinians.
It does explain their policies a little, they know they exist solely for as long as they can defend themselves.



That's an old view not borne out by reality. Of its four neighbours, Israel has treaties with Egypt and Jordan; Syria is trashed; and Lebanon is hardly a threat.

It may be a long way off, but the future clearly lies in Israel/Palestine being a single secular state, as the great teenager Ahed Tamimi has said:

https://youtu.be/gwqpKU0odyQ

She hopefully is the future.

What has to abandoned is a state founded on apartheid and which occupies and cages people.
southpaw82
Anyway, the topic is a Labour MP accused of PCOJ, not politics, so let’s get back on topic.
stamfordman
So, the trial isn't until November.

Why is this at Old Bailey? I thought OB was for major and exceptional cases.
Fredd
One down. Pleading guilty to three PCOJ offences doesn't seem likely to work out well when he's sentenced, even with the discount.

His sister is still pleading not guilty, though, with her trial going ahead next week.
The Rookie
Will make for an intersteing trial if he’s asked to give evidence!
Ocelot
The latest:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambr...eshire-46200100


A Labour MP plotted with her brother to evade a speeding prosecution, a court has heard.

Fiona Onasanya claimed a Russian man was behind the wheel when her Nissan Micra was clocked doing 41mph in a 30mph zone in July last year, jurors at the Old Bailey were told.

Ms Onasanya, 35, denies one count of perverting the course of justice.

Prosecutor David Jeremy QC said the MP and her brother Festus Onasanya had "acted jointly in telling lies".

The court was told Ms Onasanya, who is the MP for Peterborough, was sent a Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP) after her car was clocked by a speed camera in Thorney, near Peterborough, on 24 July last year.

She returned the paperwork naming Aleks Antipow as the driver, jurors heard.

Mr Jeremy said Mr Antipow was the previous tenant of a property that Ms Onasanya and her brother had rented in Cambridge.

The court heard that Mr Antipow was at home in Russia at the time of the incident and had never driven the MP's car.

Mr Jeremy said that providing a real name but false address and telephone number meant Mr Antipow "would remain untraceable", so that "the true driver of Miss Onasanya's car would escape prosecution".



She's a solicitor too, so a risky strategy if she is guilty, especially as a SAC is likely to have been offered.
The Rookie
I suspect the Brother, having plead guilty, is going to be falling on his sword and taking all the blame so as to exonerate his sister, whether that's the true version or not the evidence may or may not show. It appears the NIP/S172 was in her own name so he will have to have claim to have 'intercepted' it and filled it and returned it all without her knowledge as I see it. It may come down to a forensic analysis of the returned form for prints/handwriting/signature.
Rallyman72
I think it is interesting to see that the police used mobile phone connections to confirm that both of her mobile phones were in the vicinity of the speed camera concerned at the time of the offence. They really seem to be working hard in getting background detail where it is available.

Still innocent until proved guilty but it doesn't seem to bode well following the prosecution presentation. I think the defence will be fascinating to follow. And I have a feeling that the Rookie is right about the potential line of defence.
ViroBono
QUOTE (Rallyman72 @ Wed, 14 Nov 2018 - 09:49) *
I think it is interesting to see that the police used mobile phone connections to confirm that both of her mobile phones were in the vicinity of the speed camera concerned at the time of the offence. They really seem to be working hard in getting background detail where it is available.

Still innocent until proved guilty but it doesn't seem to bode well following the prosecution presentation. I think the defence will be fascinating to follow. And I have a feeling that the Rookie is right about the potential line of defence.



No doubt a career as Ms Onasanya's Chief of Staff awaits the brother.
southpaw82
IIRC, as he’s no longer a co-defendant he’s now a competent and compellable witness in her trial.
The Rookie
QUOTE (ViroBono @ Wed, 14 Nov 2018 - 14:27) *
No doubt a career as Ms Onasanya's Chief of Staff awaits the brother.

Not that daily Fail news article again, a quick google will tell you he was sacked ten days BEFORE the Fail printed the news story.
ViroBono
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 14 Nov 2018 - 15:18) *
QUOTE (ViroBono @ Wed, 14 Nov 2018 - 14:27) *
No doubt a career as Ms Onasanya's Chief of Staff awaits the brother.

Not that daily Fail news article again, a quick google will tell you he was sacked ten days BEFORE the Fail printed the news story.


Ishmael Osamor resigned (under pressure) as a Haringey councillor, but was (according to the Independent & Guardian, amongst other sources), still his mother's COS as at 06 November, and the complaint about his appointment bringing Parliament into disrepute remains extant.
The Rookie
The article I read (will dig in a minute) said he resigned the post on 31/10.
ViroBono
A former member of Fiona Onasanya’s staff has given evidence against her. Christian DeFeo, former Head of Communications told the court that Onasanya turned up at his home, located on the road on which she was caught speeding, on the day she was caught, alone in her car.
The Rookie
Hardly evidence against her really, that in now way proves any element of PCOJ, all it establishes is that she was driving that day, as it’s already clear the named driver wasn’t driving (the brothers guilty plea) I can’t see it being of much use, but of course we don’t know what her defence is although the only one I can see working is the brother claiming he intercepted the NIP and sent it back and Ms Onasanya had no knowledge of it at all. Similar to the old Yorke defence.
Rallyman72
Sorry, I do not see where it has been shown she was not driving that day. The brother was involved in supplying the alleged driver details it would seem.

From the Peterborough Telegraph:

QUOTE
The former aide of Peterborough MP Fiona Onasanya, who is accused of plotting with her brother to avoid a speeding ticket, said he felt “morally and legally” obliged to give evidence against her, a court has heard.

Dr Christian DeFeo, who managed campaigns and communications for Miss Onasanya, said he was compelled to contact police after spotting a news report of her trial at the Old Bailey.

Dr DeFeo said he discussed with his wife Caroline Earle whether or not to give evidence against the 35-year-old, but decided he had a moral duty to contact police on Tuesday this week, the day Onasanya’s trial began.

He told the court he had “enormous hopes invested” in the Labour MP, who was elected in 2017, and added: “I never dreamed in my darkest dreams - I never thought I would have to be sitting here (giving evidence).

“It is with the greatest reluctance I have to do this. To do otherwise, I cannot. It’s morally and legally unacceptable not to.”

The court heard there had been a “bit of a falling out” between the MP and Ms Earle after an event marking 100 years of Labour in Peterborough was cancelled by Onasanya.

Asked by prosecutor David Jeremy QC whether he “had it in” for Onasanya as a result of the dispute, Dr DeFeo said he did not, and added: “From day one I wanted her to succeed. I wanted her to be a great MP and I said on a number of occasions that I wanted her to be an MP as long as she wanted to be. It’s a terrible thing to have to do this.”

Onasanya is accused of plotting with her brother Festus Onasanya to claim that a Russian man was behind the wheel of her Nissan Micra when it was clocked doing 41mph in a 30mph zone on The Causeway near Thorney in Cambridgeshire.

The incident happened near where Dr DeFeo lived at the time, on July 24 2017, a week after Onasanya was elected MP.

The court was told about an email exchange between Onasanya and Dr DeFeo, arranging to meet on July 24 last year.Asked what time she was there, the witness said: “I cannot say a specific time, however she arrived late and was there quite late because we offered her a bed to stay the night. She arrived in her car. She arrived alone. She pulled up her car in front of our house. I greeted her at the door.”

Dr DeFeo said Onasanya, his wife and himself spent no less than two hours discussing the “nitty gritty” of a charity lease in his living room. They were there together throughout apart from the occasional “loo breaks” and his wife going into the kitchen to prepare a “hot lemon squash”.

Dr DeFeo said Onasanya had been to his home three or four times, including when he threw a “victory party” to celebrate her election, accompanied by her mother.


It does seem to tie her down to driving that evening. If the brother intercepted the NIP then how can this be explained:
QUOTE
On being asked to provide correct contacts, the defendant replied: “I have supplied the details made known to me as well as the licence information...I have provided a completed nomination previously.”


And then:
QUOTE
Mark Williams, an investigator from the Cambridgeshire Camera Ticket unit, repeatedly tried to contact Ms Onasanya. On November 2, she allegedly told him that she “stands by her nomination”.


Admittedly it does not say whether this was in writing or in person and it has to be borne in mind that we are hearing the prosecution side.
peterguk
That's torn it...

New witness comes forward:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-63...eeding-car.html

A Labour MP who claims an 'untraceable' Russian man sped in her Nissan Micra had driven alone to a house on the street where the car was caught doing 41mph in a 30mph zone, a court heard today.

Dr Christian DeFeo, who wrote press releases for Peterborough MP Fiona Onasanya, said he felt 'compelled' to appear at the Old Bailey at the 11th hour after reading a court report online this week.

Dr DeFeo told jurors he had a moral duty to contact police and told them the MP had driven to his house, alone, in her Nissan Micra, on the night the speeding ticket was issued.
The Rookie
All above, nothing torn at all Peter.....
southpaw82
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Fri, 16 Nov 2018 - 14:17) *
All above, nothing torn at all Peter.....

If his evidence was of no relevance he wouldn’t have been called.
The Rookie
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fion..._hp_ref=uk-news

So that clears up the defence strategy (which was kind of predictable once the brother plead guilty), can't see that ending well.......
Rallyman72
Jury (of 11, one discharged earlier in the week due to ill health) retired at 10:58 to consider their verdict. Will now return tomorrow to continue their deliberations. They were directed thast their verdict had to be unanimous.
cp8759
So now she's claiming she didn't fill in the NiP at all? The reports of the prosecution evidence suggest it was returned (so presumably signed) by her so one wonders why the identity of the person who returned the NiP hasn't been brought up before.
The Rookie
Maybe it 'appeared to be signed by her', her defence seems to rest on admitting the S172 offence "left the NIP at her mother's house in Cambridge for whoever had borrowed her Nissan Micra to fill in." as "she had assumed she was in Westminster at the time of the speeding offence" even though we know that likely isn't the case and it appears to be that she was driving.
Fredd
I'm a little surprised it's taking the jury so long to reach a verdict, given that it basically comes down to whether they think her story is credible or not.
cp8759
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Fri, 23 Nov 2018 - 11:43) *
Maybe it 'appeared to be signed by her', her defence seems to rest on admitting the S172 offence "left the NIP at her mother's house in Cambridge for whoever had borrowed her Nissan Micra to fill in." as "she had assumed she was in Westminster at the time of the speeding offence" even though we know that likely isn't the case and it appears to be that she was driving.

Once would have thought it wouldn't be that hard to forensically analyse the signature.
The Rookie
Judge is currently asking for a unanimous verdict, may be just one hold out, I predict a guilty from what we’ve been able to see of the case (noting it’s not all).
Redivi
I'm predicting a Not Guilty

Her version sounds unlikely but, as we've seen so many examples of incompetent S172 responses, it's not impossible

Silly question - is it legal to comment on a case before the jury decides ?
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