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ikodel
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - March 2017
Date of the NIP: - 6 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 7 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A1060 Parkway At It's Junction With Coval Lane, Chelmsford
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - On Tuesday this week I received an NIP stating I was doing 55 in a 40 zone. The camera is an automatic Gatso with no painted lines (see attached picture taken from Google Street View).

Can someone advise how I obtain photographic evidence of the alleged offence as I don't believe I was speeding and don't remember seeing a flash.


NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 01:22:37 +0000
The Rookie
No painted lines are needed, they can use a method known as photogrammetry.

Also that doesn't look like a traditional Gatso but speed on Green which works differently, do you have a google streetview link?

You are not entitled to see evidence but a request for photo's 'to help confirm the drivers ID' or similar wording will usually see them provided.

Gan
You ask for the photos "to identify the driver"

You're not entitled to "evidence" unless you're charged and plead Not Guilty
Jlc
The corroboration lines are most definitelty there - here.

It's not a Gatso. Your speed is measured (twice) by buried sensors and then the time is calculated to reach the corroboration lines. If your front wheel is in between them when snapped (once) then bingo, confirmed. It is almost certain the measurement was correct (the system also knows which lane triggered).

You can ask for a photo to assist in the identification of the driver - but it will be of the rear but they often oblige. Regardless, the driver identity needs to be supplied within the 28 days.

If it was daytime then the flash may not have been noticed.

That excess will see a fixed penalty offer of 3 points £100.
ikodel
QUOTE (Jlc @ Fri, 31 Mar 2017 - 08:45) *
The corroboration lines are most definitelty there - here.


Thanks for pointing that out.
ikodel
Ive now received 2 more NIP.s for the same stretch of road.

I have travelled this route for almost two years and have never had a problem until now.

That camera has always been there but I always thought this was used for jumping the red as I don't believe there are any signs for speed reminder or speed enforcement.

Clean licence to 9 points in days.

Any advice other than to take it on the chin?
Jlc
No camera signs are required. One presumes the 40 limit is correctly signed - it will need repeaters.

Are any of the speeds under 54mph as a course will be offered to avoid 3 points.

Could there be more on the way?

Possibly a recently converted camera.
NewJudge
QUOTE (ikodel @ Fri, 31 Mar 2017 - 18:04) *
That camera has always been there but I always thought this was used for jumping the red as I don't believe there are any signs for speed reminder or speed enforcement.


It could have been recently converted to a combined "red light" and "speed on green" device. It could be your earlier complacency that has caused your surprise. You could check the signage to see that it complies with the regulations but it is unlikely that the device is more than 30% inaccurate.
BaggieBoy
I think it's very likely to have been changed from a RLC only to a Speed On Green recently, PGPSworld have it listed as only a RLC.

Although this article from 2014 suggests not: http://www.essexlive.news/revealed-30-spee...tail/story.html
ikodel
Thanks for the responses.

One of them is a 52 speed ticket, and yes the thought did cross my mind to respond to that one in the hope to get offered a course.

If you know where I can see road regulations for speed enforcement, that would be handy, but I'll be doing some investigating.
BaggieBoy
QUOTE (ikodel @ Fri, 31 Mar 2017 - 18:28) *
If you know where I can see road regulations for speed enforcement, that would be handy, but I'll be doing some investigating.

There are none, as long as the speed limit is correct defined (via a TRO) and signed correctly.
thisisntme
QUOTE (ikodel @ Fri, 31 Mar 2017 - 17:28) *
Thanks for the responses.

One of them is a 52 speed ticket, and yes the thought did cross my mind to respond to that one in the hope to get offered a course.

If you know where I can see road regulations for speed enforcement, that would be handy, but I'll be doing some investigating.



To be clear you will need to respond to them all within 28 days - or else it will be quite messy.
ikodel
QUOTE (thisisntme @ Fri, 31 Mar 2017 - 18:34) *
QUOTE (ikodel @ Fri, 31 Mar 2017 - 17:28) *
Thanks for the responses.

One of them is a 52 speed ticket, and yes the thought did cross my mind to respond to that one in the hope to get offered a course.

If you know where I can see road regulations for speed enforcement, that would be handy, but I'll be doing some investigating.



To be clear you will need to respond to them all within 28 days - or else it will be quite messy.


Yes, I know and will be.

Don't want any more trouble.
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