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paulfoel
Had one two weeks ago. Fair cop I was parked on double yellow all day.

I always park there every day as do lots of others (near train station). Never seen a traffic warden in over a year parking there. Chances are someone has complained and they sent someone there for a few hours.

Anyway, I understand the NIP is not a parking ticket but I need to wait for the actual ticket?

Or is it possible they just put these on every car as a warning and aren't following through with an actual ticket?
DancingDad
Post a copy of what you have, blank personal info, leave in dates, times location.

Never heard of a NIP in parking and usually, if police issue anything, would be an Fixed Penalty Notice.
So we need to be sure what you have to be able to say anything sensible.
RobK
Since parking contraventions have become de-criminalised it is no longer the responsibility of the police to enforce double yellow line contaventions. Only an authorised (and uniformed) Civil Enforcement Officer can issue a PCN. However the Police may be able to prosecute for criminal obstruction but it is doubtful if this was the case unless the stretch of road was required to be free of obstruction for access by police escorted vehicle(s) such as large load or for security reasons.

You will have to wait and see but you have been given a clear message that double yellow lines are put down for a purpose!
bama
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Since parking contraventions have become de-criminalised it is no longer the responsibility of the police

almost but not quite.Not every LA has gone decrim.

we need to see the paper (scan/pic suitably redacted, don't redact the original)
paulfoel
QUOTE (RobK @ Tue, 31 May 2016 - 13:24) *
Since parking contraventions have become de-criminalised it is no longer the responsibility of the police to enforce double yellow line contaventions. Only an authorised (and uniformed) Civil Enforcement Officer can issue a PCN. However the Police may be able to prosecute for criminal obstruction but it is doubtful if this was the case unless the stretch of road was required to be free of obstruction for access by police escorted vehicle(s) such as large load or for security reasons.

You will have to wait and see but you have been given a clear message that double yellow lines are put down for a purpose!


Pretty sure it was signed by a CSO. I'll scan and post.

Pretty sure also the phrase "no waiting" was on there too. It wouldnt have been obstruction. This is a long road that for some reason is ok to park half way along and then suddenly double yellows start so there probably 10-15 cars ticketed that day.

I see what you say its a fair cop. £8 per day in the train station carpark or one parking ticket in the last 18 months. Easy choice to make......
paulfoel
DancingDad
Gordon Bennet, it is a NIP.
Which potentially makes it criminal

Where did this happen please?
Mad Mick V
So we must ask---Where was the offence committed? Where in Wales?

If it's in an area covered by decriminalised parking the CPO had no authority to issue the ticket.

You mention train station so was it in an area covered by the railway byelaws?

This is what CSOs can do:-

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j...RFg&cad=rja

That's why it's a NIP rather than a FPN (or is it one and the same?).

Mick
paulfoel
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 1 Jun 2016 - 10:50) *
Gordon Bennet, it is a NIP.
Which potentially makes it criminal

Where did this happen please?


How can parking on double yellow lines be a criminal offence???


QUOTE (Mad Mick V @ Wed, 1 Jun 2016 - 10:51) *
So we must ask---Where was the offence committed? Where in Wales?

If it's in an area covered by decriminalised parking the CPO had no authority to issue the ticket.

You mention train station so was it in an area covered by the railway byelaws?

This is what CSOs can do:-

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j...RFg&cad=rja

That's why it's a NIP rather than a FPN (or is it one and the same?).

Mick


Newport. Street near the train station. Devon Place for those who know the area.

Confused as to whats going to happen next? I am wondering if they issued these as a warning.
I see CSOs cant issue PCN parking tickets. Is it possible they sent a CSO over to issue these to deal with (or not) at a later date? Like I said, there are NEVER any parking wardens in this area but lots of business (inc a new solicitors thats opened near the parking place - seen a few people partially blocking the driveway). Wondering if the police have sent someone in response to a complaint maybe?

How long do they have to take this further? Surely theres a limit somewhere.....
John U.K.
Haven't time to search thoroughly, but this was happening a year ago
http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/1296...ing_in_Newport/

and this last month
http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/1449...rt_city_centre/
DastardlyDick
It's a TOR (Traffic Offence Report) not an NIP or FPN. The issuing officer has no say in whether or not the driver is prosecuted, when that decision is made, a letter is sent.
paulfoel
QUOTE (DastardlyDick @ Thu, 2 Jun 2016 - 10:33) *
It's a TOR (Traffic Offence Report) not an NIP or FPN. The issuing officer has no say in whether or not the driver is prosecuted, when that decision is made, a letter is sent.


How long before I find out? Whats worse case?
hcandersen
Why are you worrying?

Sorry if this sounds facetious, it isn't: why are you worried?

For those who've seen the film Bridge of Spies this question would ring a bell.

You have been reported to a competent authority who will decide what to do. Presuming you've posted the whole notice notice and there's nothing on the back, there is nothing you are asked to do or can do now, so stop worrying because there is no point: there is nothing you can do at present other than tell us whether you are the registered keeper and whether these details are up to date - the only way the state can contact you is through the registered keeper whose details are held by DVLA.
DancingDad
QUOTE (DastardlyDick @ Thu, 2 Jun 2016 - 10:33) *
It's a TOR (Traffic Offence Report) not an NIP or FPN. The issuing officer has no say in whether or not the driver is prosecuted, when that decision is made, a letter is sent.


And it would seem that Newport city council do not operated or have signed for Decriminalised Parking Enforcement.
Which makes parking a matter for the police/CSOs and Traffic Wardens (if they still exist there) and a criminal matter that would ultimately end up in Magistrate's Court should it progress and not be dealt with.
What happens next, not a clue.
But I am thinking that this ought to move over to the Criminal and Speeding Section where the guys have more experience.

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