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keithrg
post Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 13:26
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I made a complaint off crimal damage against a third party. I supplied cctv footage to police of when I first saw the 3rd party then the incedent and up to end cctv footage. I edited out 44seconds I felt had no relevance to the criminal damage accusations. the police new this was edited when they took the footage to which I even supplied the disc. it is obvious that the video is edited I didnt hide anything. yet I have been arrested and bailed. my cctv camera (with sd card) and laptop have been siezed. surely tjis cant be right ??? if id been asked to supply cctv or asked for it uncut. I would have supplied. I had not deleted original saved file from my laptop. I feel tjis has led to a invasion off my privacy as I have a years worth off personal files on pc. any help appriciated please
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post Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 13:34
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So what was on those 44 seconds you didn't want the police to see?
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post Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 13:48
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QUOTE (BaggieBoy @ Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 14:34) *
So what was on those 44 seconds you didn't want the police to see?

Me over taking on wrong side off bollard. sad.gif
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post Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 13:49
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Presumably you availed yourself of your right to free and Independant advice by a solicitor given to you at the police station. I very much doubt your brief would want you posting the details on an Internet forum so perhaps you should go back to them
With any questions about what is an extremely serious offence.
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post Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 13:54
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QUOTE (keithrg @ Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 14:48) *
QUOTE (BaggieBoy @ Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 14:34) *
So what was on those 44 seconds you didn't want the police to see?
Me over taking on wrong side off bollard. sad.gif


And was that linked to your complaint of criminal damage? This sounds as though it might be a road rage incident. This is a forum advising on road traffic law and this is outside our scope, you need to get advice from a solicitor specialising in criminal law.



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post Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 13:59
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Often the complainant is the instigator and perhaps suspicions arose from that theory?

Sounds like the PCoJ will end up getting dropped but expect some suitable charge coming your way from what is evident from your footage.
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post Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 14:03
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QUOTE (Logician @ Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 14:54) *
QUOTE (keithrg @ Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 14:48) *
QUOTE (BaggieBoy @ Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 14:34) *
So what was on those 44 seconds you didn't want the police to see?
Me over taking on wrong side off bollard. sad.gif


And was that linked to your complaint of criminal damage? This sounds as though it might be a road rage incident. This is a forum advising on road traffic law and this is outside our scope, you need to get advice from a solicitor specialising in criminal law.

it was involving a traffic issue. I do not feel it had any relevance to my complaint. im awaiting solicitors paperwork then will be making an appointment once I have this as been told by other solicitors cant go to them till got that.

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Often the complainant is the instigator and perhaps suspicions arose from that theory?

Sounds like the PCoJ will end up getting dropped but expect some suitable charge coming your way from what is evident from your footage.

I felt they only used this charge to allow them to take equipment from property. I do hope so.
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post Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 14:24
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QUOTE (keithrg @ Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 15:03) *
it was involving a traffic issue. I do not feel it had any relevance to my complaint. im awaiting solicitors paperwork then will be making an appointment once I have this as been told by other solicitors cant go to them till got that.


You may feel it to be irrelevant. However, the job of the police is to investigate. They would be somewhat negligent in their duty if they ignored a 44 second gap, the contents of which may well add context to the rest of the case. And once you've shown that you're a) capable of editing the video and b) want to hide part of it from them, they have a duty to secure that evidence.
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post Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 14:28
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If it were me I would post no more on a public forum as this is a very serious charge.

Talk to a solicitor.
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post Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 15:16
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I'm not usually prone to supporting the Police/CPS but with a significant portion missing, the recording is borderline useless as a Defence Solicitor could hypothesise about all sorts that may/may not have taken place in the interregnum? With respect, your opinion about its validity/relevance is neither here nor there..........

Get a solicitor as others have suggested.


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post Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 15:52
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Fro, what you have said you have not committed a criminal offence. Unless you have purported or said in a signed statement that the footage was complete or you didn't do what it says.

I would suggest that as a legal point you should not have been arrested and you should look at the case of Wren and if you have a solicitor make sure they do or sack them!
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post Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 16:12
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QUOTE (keithrg @ Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 13:48) *
QUOTE (BaggieBoy @ Wed, 22 Oct 2014 - 14:34) *
So what was on those 44 seconds you didn't want the police to see?

Me over taking on wrong side off bollard. sad.gif


Well Keith, i trust you've told them why you edited the video since this is a public forum and known to be frequented by the BIB. You've even partially identified yourself!

QUOTE (Red Devil @ Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 15:52) *
I would suggest that as a legal point you should not have been arrested


So how do they seize OP's posessions they feel are pertinent to an investigation if OP says no?

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post Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 16:15
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QUOTE (Red Devil @ Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 15:52) *
Fro, what you have said you have not committed a criminal offence. Unless you have purported or said in a signed statement that the footage was complete or you didn't do what it says.

I would suggest that as a legal point you should not have been arrested and you should look at the case of Wren and if you have a solicitor make sure they do or sack them!


An offence may well have taken place but perhaps not the one this thread is about.


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post Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 16:18
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QUOTE (Red Devil @ Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 15:52) *
Fro, what you have said you have not committed a criminal offence. Unless you have purported or said in a signed statement that the footage was complete or you didn't do what it says.

I would suggest that as a legal point you should not have been arrested and you should look at the case of Wren and if you have a solicitor make sure they do or sack them!


Why does there have to be a signed statement for an offence of PCOJ to be committed?

Why should he not have been arrested?


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post Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 17:55
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 16:18) *
QUOTE (Red Devil @ Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 15:52) *
Fro, what you have said you have not committed a criminal offence. Unless you have purported or said in a signed statement that the footage was complete or you didn't do what it says.

I would suggest that as a legal point you should not have been arrested and you should look at the case of Wren and if you have a solicitor make sure they do or sack them!


Why does there have to be a signed statement for an offence of PCOJ to be committed?

Why should he not have been arrested?


As there has to be a declaration of truth (not necessarily a statement, but in this case it would be I would think) or the evidence has to be given in court under oath, ie: Chris Hune and Vicky Price.

A person is not under any duty to incriminate themselves, so if he has provided the (edited) video and not claimed it was unedited etc then I can see no offence.

I would suggest he should not have been arrested as on his account there is no offence of PCoJ, and further the necessity criteria under PACE was not met as he was a witness and would no doubt have attended to be interviewed voluntarily if asked

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post Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 17:57
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You're confusing perjury and PCOJ. Whilst he's under no duty to incriminate himself that doesn't mean he can alter or destroy evidence.


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post Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 17:57
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QUOTE (Red Devil @ Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 17:55) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 16:18) *
QUOTE (Red Devil @ Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 15:52) *
Fro, what you have said you have not committed a criminal offence. Unless you have purported or said in a signed statement that the footage was complete or you didn't do what it says.

I would suggest that as a legal point you should not have been arrested and you should look at the case of Wren and if you have a solicitor make sure they do or sack them!


Why does there have to be a signed statement for an offence of PCOJ to be committed?

Why should he not have been arrested?


As there has to be a declaration of truth (not necessarily a statement, but in this case it would be I would think) or the evidence has to be given in court under oath, ie: Chris Hune and Vicky Price.

A person is not under any duty to incriminate themselves, so if he has provided the (edited) video and not claimed it was unedited etc then I can see no offence.


PCoJ extends to more than signed declarations.
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post Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 18:20
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 17:57) *
You're confusing perjury and PCOJ. Whilst he's under no duty to incriminate himself that doesn't mean he can alter or destroy evidence.


I'm not seeing pcoj here.

Op presented dvd to assist the allegation of cd.

Going around bollard wrongly doesn't seem good but the op asked for help on another matter.

Since nothings deleted or purposely unacknowledged where is pcoj involved
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post Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 18:23
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QUOTE (jewels2009 @ Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 18:20) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 17:57) *
You're confusing perjury and PCOJ. Whilst he's under no duty to incriminate himself that doesn't mean he can alter or destroy evidence.


I'm not seeing pcoj here.

Op presented dvd to assist the allegation of cd.

Going around bollard wrongly doesn't seem good but the op asked for help on another matter.

Since nothings deleted or purposely unacknowledged where is pcoj involved
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The basis of the allegation (for that's all it is) is that he altered evidence, presumably to avoid prosecution for the keep left offence or to increase the chances of a successful prosecution against the other guy.


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post Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 18:49
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 29 Oct 2014 - 17:57) *
You're confusing perjury and PCOJ. Whilst he's under no duty to incriminate himself that doesn't mean he can alter or destroy evidence.


No I am not at all. You can PCoJ when giving false evidence, as well as committing perjury.

From what he has said he didn't alter or destroy the evidence, he presented the parts he felt relevant, although the continuity of evidence would have been adversely affected.

As I said he only committed an offence if he presented the evidence as a full video clip, he says that the Police knew the footage was edited so how has he then committed any offence?

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