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Adam323
post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 00:50
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I was driving back home from Cardiff airport around 3am - never driven on this road before and wasn't concentrating. I ran into this.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.422045,-3...IvnAM4Q!2e0

The camera was facing me but no road markings on my side of the road. Was doing around 45-50 MPH.

Am i Game over?
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post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 01:05
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QUOTE (Adam323 @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 01:50) *
I was driving back home from Cardiff airport around 3am - never driven on this road before and wasn't concentrating. I ran into this.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.422045,-3...IvnAM4Q!2e0

The camera was facing me but no road markings on my side of the road. Was doing around 45-50 MPH.

Am i Game over?


So is it not for cars going the other way and takes images of the back of the car . You don't mention seeing any flash ..probably because there wasn't one ?
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post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 01:18
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QUOTE (StuartBu @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 02:05) *
QUOTE (Adam323 @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 01:50) *
I was driving back home from Cardiff airport around 3am - never driven on this road before and wasn't concentrating. I ran into this.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.422045,-3...IvnAM4Q!2e0

The camera was facing me but no road markings on my side of the road. Was doing around 45-50 MPH.

Am i Game over?


So is it not for cars going the other way and takes images of the back of the car . You don't mention seeing any flash ..probably because there wasn't one ?


Didn't see any flash
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post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 02:10
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At 3am the flash would be, ahem, blindingly obvious, I think you haven't been 'owned'.......


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post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 02:40
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Many Truvelo's are configured for front capture - this one is definitely rear.

Although the sensors and corroboration lines are also in place for frontal.


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post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 07:57
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 03:40) *
Although the sensors and corroboration lines are also in place for frontal.


Could you expand on this as I'm unable to see any corroboration lines. Would these be from the camera only, like as date and time appears etc.

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post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 08:14
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QUOTE (jewels2009 @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 08:57) *
QUOTE (Jlc @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 03:40) *
Although the sensors and corroboration lines are also in place for frontal.


Could you expand on this as I'm unable to see any corroboration lines. Would these be from the camera only, like as date and time appears etc.

thanks


The purpose of this thread is for the OP to seek advice regarding prospective legal issues he is (or in this case clearly isn't) facing.
It is not for you to hijack to fill in the gaps in your own knowledge or lack of observational skills.


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post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 08:47
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Hello all, thanks for info. I was aware that these don't flash, had some other technology and that they do both sides. So I'm unsure.
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post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 09:04
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QUOTE (Adam323 @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 09:47) *
Hello all, thanks for info. I was aware that these don't flash, had some other technology and that they do both sides. So I'm unsure.


Actually they do flash, through a magenta filter designed to cut dazzle, and are quite bright at night. The road markings indicate that your one replaced a GATSO, the markings associated with a Truvelo are three lines spaced closely together. If you did not notice a flash, you probably did not set it off.



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I can see why he wasn't confused due to
QUOTE (StuartBu @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 02:05) *
..probably because there wasn't one ?


What Stuart meant was no flash as you probably didn't trigger the camera, if you did trigger it, it would flash.


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Some people seem to think there is an invisible 'Infra Red' flash for some reason.
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QUOTE (andy_foster @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 09:14) *
QUOTE (jewels2009 @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 08:57) *
QUOTE (Jlc @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 03:40) *
Although the sensors and corroboration lines are also in place for frontal.


Could you expand on this as I'm unable to see any corroboration lines. Would these be from the camera only, like as date and time appears etc.

thanks


The purpose of this thread is for the OP to seek advice regarding prospective legal issues he is (or in this case clearly isn't) facing.
It is not for you to hijack to fill in the gaps in your own knowledge or lack of observational skills.


The Ops as well who was clearly in the same ignorant position as me, which has now been clarified by some other posters without the historonics.

Really at 9.00am,

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post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 09:28
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 10:06) *
I can see why he wasn't confused due to
QUOTE (StuartBu @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 02:05) *
..probably because there wasn't one ?


What Stuart meant was no flash as you probably didn't trigger the camera, if you did trigger it, it would flash.

That's exactly what I meant TR..also, looking at GSV image,unless I am missing something ,the camera ( and road markings) seems to be sited just for vehicles on the other side of the road and not the side OP was on ( as he said).
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post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 09:32
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QUOTE (captain swoop @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 10:20) *
Some people seem to think there is an invisible 'Infra Red' flash for some reason.

Because Truvelo tout it as such on their website perhaps, it's just in the UK 'we' decided to buy the traditional visible flash version, it's quite hard to even find that version exists on their website.


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post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 09:48
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Yea I've read up before about the infra red flash and hardly able to see it. I was way above 30mph so slightly worried.
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Rest assured IR versions are NOT used in the UK, and it would be totally invisible not 'hardly able to see it'!


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But as has beeb said, they don't use infra red in the UK. So if no flash you are OK.
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post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 13:29
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QUOTE (jewels2009 @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 08:57) *
QUOTE (Jlc @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 03:40) *
Although the sensors and corroboration lines are also in place for frontal.


Could you expand on this as I'm unable to see any corroboration lines. Would these be from the camera only, like as date and time appears etc.

The sensors are buried - induction loops under the Tarmac (you can see 2 pairs). When operating in frontal mode the fronts wheels have to be within the 3 close white lines (10cm apart) to corroborate. After passing the induction loops the time to travel to these marks is calculated and the camera takes a picture with a flash.

In rear mode the speed is calculated from the buried sensors likewise and either 1 or 2 photo's are taken. 1 at a preset calculated distance and a second a short interval later (like a Gatso).

A lot of details Here.

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post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 15:20
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 14:29) *
QUOTE (jewels2009 @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 08:57) *
QUOTE (Jlc @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 03:40) *
Although the sensors and corroboration lines are also in place for frontal.


Could you expand on this as I'm unable to see any corroboration lines. Would these be from the camera only, like as date and time appears etc.

The sensors are buried - induction loops under the Tarmac (you can see 2 pairs). When operating in frontal mode the fronts wheels have to be within the 3 close white lines (10cm apart) to corroborate. After passing the induction loops the time to travel to these marks is calculated and the camera takes a picture with a flash.

In rear mode the speed is calculated from the buried sensors likewise and either 1 or 2 photo's are taken. 1 at a preset calculated distance and a second a short interval later (like a Gatso).

A lot of details Here.


So as I had no markings my side I should be defo clear?
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post Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 15:36
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QUOTE (Adam323 @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 16:20) *
QUOTE (Jlc @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 14:29) *
QUOTE (jewels2009 @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 08:57) *
QUOTE (Jlc @ Sat, 30 Aug 2014 - 03:40) *
Although the sensors and corroboration lines are also in place for frontal.


Could you expand on this as I'm unable to see any corroboration lines. Would these be from the camera only, like as date and time appears etc.

The sensors are buried - induction loops under the Tarmac (you can see 2 pairs). When operating in frontal mode the fronts wheels have to be within the 3 close white lines (10cm apart) to corroborate. After passing the induction loops the time to travel to these marks is calculated and the camera takes a picture with a flash.

In rear mode the speed is calculated from the buried sensors likewise and either 1 or 2 photo's are taken. 1 at a preset calculated distance and a second a short interval later (like a Gatso).

A lot of details Here.


So as I had no markings my side I should be defo clear?


It looks like this camera is a rear facing one, although it can be turned around. Truvelo speed cameras do flash, they just have magenta filters in place to help prevent drivers being dazzled. At 3AM driving you WOULD have seen a flash.

http://www.safetycamera.org/Content/filema...MC%20MANUAL.pdf

Stop worrying.

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