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Croydon Council. Wrong wording, BUT>>>, Appealed with same wording before, now rejected.....
Phil_Barker
post Fri, 31 Aug 2012 - 14:32
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OK. Several drivers have been getting PCN's for a new pedestrian zone in Surrey Street market. The PCN's aren't the same as the normal 3 page ones received from LB Croydon, but rather a 2 page one.

I have sucessfully appealed a PCN before with LB Croydon for a driver. See here.

I have appealled all the tickets with the same wording as the original appeal, yet these have come back as rejected.

Have I missed something, done something wrong, or are the council just chancing their arm??

Here is the chain from one of the tickets:

Original PCN:





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This is the wording used in the appeal:

Dear Sir/Madam
I am appealing against the PCN No CR81919304 as I feel it is not a valid issue.

There has been a procedural impropriety by the council in the issue of this PCN:
1) Nowhere on the PCN do you state how a person may view any still images or video footage of the alleged contravention.
2) You state that you _will_ issue a Charge Certificate if before the end of a period beginning 28 days from the date of issue of the PCN if you have received no monies.
3) You state a reason of the vehicle being stolen in Grounds for Representations: It is not legal to limit to just theft as a reason for representations, as there are times when a relative or friend who is insured to drive the car, with access to the keys may have driven it without the owner’s permission. I refer to PCN IS2284987A/ Patas case 2110212199 on this matter.
4) You, as the issuing authority are required by law to consider the submission of late representations in EVERY case submitted to you. Failing to state this/do this is against the law, and invalidates the issue of this PCN.
5) You do not state in the valid reasons for representations the fact that a procedural impropriety has occurred. This in itself is a procedural impropriety.
6) You have previously cancelled a CCTV PCN (81778337) under these exact same conditions.

The wording in these 5 points fetter any discretion you may extend in the course of this PCN, and invalidate its issue. Failing to state this/do this is against the law, and invalidates the issue of this PCN. I expect this PCN to be cancelled.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Yours faithfully



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This is the NOR recieved:







Many thanks for all your advice (in advance)


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- Phil_Barker   Croydon Council. Wrong wording, BUT>>>   Fri, 31 Aug 2012 - 14:32
- - SchoolRunMum   Just found this with a quick search, don't kno...   Fri, 31 Aug 2012 - 15:05
- - Phil_Barker   I will look at that, but my issue was a previous s...   Fri, 31 Aug 2012 - 16:27
- - bama   sounds like a valid conclusion   Fri, 31 Aug 2012 - 20:42
- - Bogsy   Most London Borough Councils use software to compo...   Fri, 31 Aug 2012 - 22:07
- - Phil_Barker   OK, I am up at PATAS on Wednesday 10th October. 9A...   Tue, 2 Oct 2012 - 15:13
|- - EDW   QUOTE (Phil_Barker @ Tue, 2 Oct 2012 - 1...   Tue, 2 Oct 2012 - 15:49
- - Phil_Barker   Exactly the same. I have had an appeal allowed und...   Wed, 3 Oct 2012 - 06:57
|- - EDW   QUOTE (Phil_Barker @ Wed, 3 Oct 2012 - 0...   Wed, 3 Oct 2012 - 11:06
- - Phil_Barker   Ok, thanks: This is the cover letter I have draft...   Wed, 3 Oct 2012 - 14:17
|- - EDW   QUOTE (Phil_Barker @ Wed, 3 Oct 2012 - 1...   Wed, 3 Oct 2012 - 14:22
- - Phil_Barker   I know there are others. Doing a search on here at...   Wed, 3 Oct 2012 - 15:06
- - Phil_Barker   OK, got some more references; Will/May: 211007281...   Thu, 4 Oct 2012 - 08:02
- - Phil_Barker   OK, i am up at PATAS on Wednesday. Is there anyth...   Mon, 8 Oct 2012 - 10:44
- - SchoolRunMum   I have never been to adjudication but I would sugg...   Mon, 8 Oct 2012 - 22:56
- - bama   its quite casual (ish) really. more like a busines...   Tue, 9 Oct 2012 - 00:09
- - Phil_Barker   Thanks for that. I have all the case paperwork ...   Tue, 9 Oct 2012 - 09:51
- - Phil_Barker   Ok, on a break at patas. The adj is saying that in...   Wed, 10 Oct 2012 - 09:41
- - Incandescent   QUOTE He also says that moving violations don...   Wed, 10 Oct 2012 - 13:38
- - Phil_Barker   He is correct though. It does mention in the parki...   Wed, 10 Oct 2012 - 14:30
- - EDW   Case Reference: 2120470157 Appellant: xxxxxxxxxxx ...   Wed, 10 Oct 2012 - 21:42
- - bama   well done !   Wed, 10 Oct 2012 - 22:47
- - Phil_Barker   Get in!!! I really thought he wouldn...   Thu, 11 Oct 2012 - 07:01
|- - EDW   QUOTE (Phil_Barker @ Thu, 11 Oct 2012 - ...   Thu, 11 Oct 2012 - 16:25
- - bama   there is not good (lawful) explanation of the ...   Thu, 11 Oct 2012 - 12:09
- - Phil_Barker   Yes, he did. I wrote it down wrong in the appeal l...   Fri, 12 Oct 2012 - 06:36
- - Phil_Barker   Update: Croydon Council have written to me regar...   Wed, 24 Oct 2012 - 08:41
|- - SchoolRunMum   QUOTE (Phil_Barker @ Wed, 24 Oct 2012 - ...   Wed, 24 Oct 2012 - 22:21
- - bama   result ! and how. please post the written dec...   Wed, 24 Oct 2012 - 11:02
- - Phil_Barker   Here are 2 of the reply letters I received after t...   Thu, 25 Oct 2012 - 09:22
- - Myles   OK. so I'm very new to this so forgive me for ...   Wed, 7 Nov 2012 - 20:32
- - Hippocrates   Re the TWOC ground, their initial letter clearly f...   Wed, 7 Nov 2012 - 21:53
- - Phil_Barker   Myles, start your own topic with a scan of all sid...   Fri, 9 Nov 2012 - 07:37
- - VGR   hi guys I am issued with same pcn. can you pls a...   Mon, 18 May 2015 - 19:46
- - Incandescent   QUOTE (VGR @ Mon, 18 May 2015 - 20:4...   Mon, 18 May 2015 - 20:57
- - John U.K.   QUOTE (VGR @ Mon, 18 May 2015 - 20:4...   Mon, 18 May 2015 - 20:58


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