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varigo
post Tue, 15 Mar 2011 - 13:18
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Can someone help please.

Got a penalty via the post - Parked in a loading place without loading.
We stopped for only 5-6 minutes, while my husband went to get some drink for our 1 year old baby and droped off some books at the charity shop across the road. I was waiting in the car with the baby.

Is there anything can be done in this case? Can this be considered as unloading? Also we had only couple of old books which I thought would be a shame to throw away, so decided to give them away.

I attach the scan of the PCN.

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post Tue, 15 Mar 2011 - 13:22
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what is the date of notice
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varigo
post Tue, 15 Mar 2011 - 13:56
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QUOTE (alloageorge @ Tue, 15 Mar 2011 - 13:22) *
what is the date of notice


The date is 25.02.11
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alloageorge
post Tue, 15 Mar 2011 - 14:59
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you still have a few days left to preserve the
21 day discount.case is suspended if you
request images.suggest you ask for images
showing your husband leaving the car.
hopefully he will be shown carrying books.
you can then decide whether to appeal
or not.thats my understanding of pcn.
hopefully you will get other views.
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varigo
post Wed, 16 Mar 2011 - 13:47
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QUOTE (alloageorge @ Tue, 15 Mar 2011 - 14:59) *
you still have a few days left to preserve the
21 day discount.case is suspended if you
request images.suggest you ask for images
showing your husband leaving the car.
hopefully he will be shown carrying books.
you can then decide whether to appeal
or not.thats my understanding of pcn.
hopefully you will get other views.



Thanks, will do that. Are they required to provide all the evidence in such cases?

ANd can they really issue tickets if someone was present in the car?
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Scaramouche
post Wed, 16 Mar 2011 - 14:20
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How lovely. Look at the two versions of grounds listed, they do not tally. On the first one, use the ground that the CEO was not prevented from issuing the PCN - it should not be there! Don't tell them that. The last but one ground. There are various threads with this advice given, homage and deference to Dancing Dad given as I write.


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post Wed, 16 Mar 2011 - 14:28
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QUOTE (Scaramouche @ Wed, 16 Mar 2011 - 14:20) *
How lovely. Look at the two versions of grounds listed, they do not tally. On the first one, use the ground that the CEO was not prevented from issuing the PCN - it should not be there! Don't tell them that. The last but one ground. There are various threads with this advice given, homage and deference to Dancing Dad given as I write.


Thank you Scaramouche. And what is the 2nd ground?
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post Wed, 16 Mar 2011 - 14:35
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List, not ground. Check them out, as that alone causes confusion. See this thread onwards. Different contravention, different PCN; but same cock up by Ealing. The ground should not be there in your case as the PCN was issued by camera. In this linked case, it was actually affixed.

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showto...rt=#entry560808

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varigo
post Sun, 8 May 2011 - 14:00
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I requested the video footage of the contravention. I can't play the DVD they sent me.
Also here is the scan of their letter.

What should I do now?

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post Sun, 8 May 2011 - 16:00
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Can't play the DVD ?

what are the filenames on it ? ('explore' the DVD on your PC and have a look. post the names on here)



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post Sun, 8 May 2011 - 18:02
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QUOTE (bama @ Sun, 8 May 2011 - 17:00) *
Can't play the DVD ?

what are the filenames on it ? ('explore' the DVD on your PC and have a look. post the names on here)


Hi, it is proper DVD files. Its just its corrupt or bad quality. It would start but then the drive just spins and nothing more for about 5 mins, than couple of seconds of footage, and same again. I waited 30 mins and it played pnly 1 min of footage.
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post Sun, 8 May 2011 - 18:45
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can you upload it to a file repository ?

could be crap files or a PC problem at your end.

did you try it with VLC (free utility) or with Media Player Classic ?


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post Sun, 8 May 2011 - 19:25
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Right, I got it. VLC player played it. Thanks for the tip.

Also it doesn't show how my husband got back into the car and how we drove away. Does it mean that they don't have the wholee footage?

I read couple of posts about the same problem at the same spot in Ealing. One post is still open, and its gone to the adjudicator now. There are couple of points that they used, like inappropriate use of CCTV, no signs, and mistakes in the letters. SHould I use the same points?

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Anna
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post Mon, 9 May 2011 - 10:22
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QUOTE (Scaramouche @ Wed, 16 Mar 2011 - 15:35) *
List, not ground. Check them out, as that alone causes confusion. See this thread onwards. Different contravention, different PCN; but same cock up by Ealing. The ground should not be there in your case as the PCN was issued by camera. In this linked case, it was actually affixed.

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showto...rt=#entry560808


I wanted to ask about this last letter, and the formal procedures - which letters should be issued and when.
So far I did not received Notice to Owner or Notice of Rejection. All that I receieved was the PCN by post with photos and this last letter together with DVD.

Does this last letter has any power? Or should I wait for Notice to Owner?

And also there might be mistake, where they are talking about 21 days, and then 28 days, and then about penalty charge increase. It looks very confusing to me.

Sorry that I ask so many questions, I'm still new to the whole process mellow.gif
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post Mon, 9 May 2011 - 11:25
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this is the notice to owner.you must now decide whether
to appeal or pay.
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Lolo
post Sat, 14 May 2011 - 15:55
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I was issued a 'parking fine' by Park Direct for dropping someone off at Ealing Broadway station in early 2010; my car was stopped about 4 minutes while the passenger and luggage was being unloaded. I ignored all requests to pay (all sent to me in the post) and also ignored all threatening debt recovery letters, which followed over the 6, perhaps 8, subsequent months. I have not heard anything for about 5 months.

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post Sat, 14 May 2011 - 16:03
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QUOTE (Lolo @ Sat, 14 May 2011 - 16:55) *
I was issued a 'parking fine' by Park Direct for dropping someone off at Ealing Broadway station in early 2010; my car was stopped about 4 minutes while the passenger and luggage was being unloaded. I ignored all requests to pay (all sent to me in the post) and also ignored all threatening debt recovery letters, which followed over the 6, perhaps 8, subsequent months. I have not heard anything for about 5 months.


And what, precisely, does that have to do with a PCN issued by Ealing BC?


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