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Helping the motorist get justice
parking in cul-de-sac |
  Sun, 10 May 2009 - 18:38
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Hi,
Can anyone shed any light on my little problem???? We live in a cul-de-sac but only have a small drive so have to park my mid-van on the road outside the house. Nothing wrong with that you may ask as i park it up on the kerb so as to leave as much room on the road possible for access to and from our neighbours house. Problems arose about 12 months ago when the woman who lives opposite to us (my van is parked in between our house and hers) started to complain that my van should'nt be parked there . it in no way contravenes her property , light , access etc , (she cant even see it as her leylandi hedge blocks it out) she started to threaten my family so obviously i called the law who told her to behave otherwise.The officer said that basically if he gave me a ticket for parking up on the kerb he would have to go down the whole close and book several other vehicles. Over the past 12 months her husband and son have both parked their vans outside in more or less the same place as mine so all has been quiet but now they dont have those vehicles anymore , yes you've guessed it she's started again. This time she left me nice 'to whom it may concern 'note on my van windscreen quoting from the deeds of the houses which part states that 'no commercial vehicle can be kept between houses'.My vehicle is a peugeot expert but its not used for any commercila use and is not sign written (she also contravenes thedeeds as they also state that no hedges above 6ft can be grown). I have today had a visit from a special constable who to be fair was very embarrassed at having to come see us about this womans apparent 'problem' he says she is complaining that she cant walk between her hedge and my van on the pavement (even though she would never walk on that part of the pavement as it leads only to our house, she's just being awkward).the officer said that if she wanted to she could get a 'real' officer to come up and give me a ticket for obstructing the pavement.He suggested i move my van further into the road to give sufficent room for a wheelchair to pass. My question is- If i allow sufficient room for a wheelchair to pass am i then legal even though im still part on the kerb? Also her hedge encroaches onto the pavement where my van is parked so if my van is obstructing the pavement then so is her hedge, what can i do? Thanks in anticipation of your answers Peter This post has been edited by pecity: Sun, 10 May 2009 - 18:41 |
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Sun, 10 May 2009 - 18:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,783 Joined: 6 Jul 2006 Member No.: 6,518 |
is it a private road or council adopted ?
despit being a dead end for vehicles can pedstrians walk through to somewhere or is it a dead end for them as well ? |
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Sun, 10 May 2009 - 18:46
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report her to the council for the hedge over pavement and too high,
stones and glass houses?? This post has been edited by albert2008: Sun, 10 May 2009 - 18:46 |
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Sun, 10 May 2009 - 22:22
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so what woudl happen if you parked with all four wheels on the road, instead of two on the path? If she cant get past then, thats her hedges problem, and furthermore you cant be ticketed for it. If she wants you all on the road then go for it, if that makes it even harder for her to get in, then she might appreciate two wheels on the path. I would also imagine you cannot dictate who parks where on a public highway using a codicil to a land deed.
Also, leaving notes under your windscreen is at least trespass to goods and possibly criminal damage. This post has been edited by uknational: Sun, 10 May 2009 - 22:27 |
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Mon, 11 May 2009 - 00:41
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The PCSO gave good advice, do not park with one or more wheels on the pavement. In many parts, esp London, it is an offence (statutory or by-law). Park on the highway (road), close to the kerb. If other vehicles, eg emergency (fire) cannot pass, then you are causing an obstruction and gifting the Police with a solution to appease your neighbour. They will act if pushed.
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Mon, 11 May 2009 - 10:47
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As you've had a visit from a real copper - why not take the higher ground, ask if the copper will "mediate" a meeting between both parties, if she doesn't turn up then she can't complain.
If she does, copper sounds ok in that he'll put forward common sense (not ticketing all cars etc) - and you can bring up about hedges if she mentions deeds). Then, you've at least made the effort (and got the local cops on your side). |
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Mon, 11 May 2009 - 11:13
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Police will run a mile from getting involved in civil disputes, Council responsibility
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Mon, 11 May 2009 - 11:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,654 Joined: 18 Nov 2004 From: Leeds / Manchester Member No.: 1,888 |
QUOTE she started to threaten my family so obviously i called the law who told her to behave otherwise Indeed but given the history... |
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Tue, 12 May 2009 - 19:30
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Hi All,
Thanks for your advice and suggestions. We have further developments today as regards the local barmpot who thinks she can play gods policeman and dictate who parks what , when and where . I came home to find the wingmirror smashed on my vehicle that is parked legally on the highway and quite obviously the finger points to the crackpot over the road. I called the police who have carried out their enquiries and are waiting for a witness to hopefully confirm what is quite obviously suspected. The police also confirmed that the local covenant as regards vans etc...... is basically a load of tripe, but can be used in a civil case. Has anyone any ideas if we cant get this witness statement how we can prosecute the neighbour s rgards this matter?? Thanks again |
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Tue, 12 May 2009 - 19:57
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Tue, 12 May 2009 - 20:07
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QUOTE (pecity @ Tue, 12 May 2009 - 20:30)  Hi All, Thanks for your advice and suggestions. We have further developments today as regards the local barmpot who thinks she can play gods policeman and dictate who parks what , when and where . I came home to find the wingmirror smashed on my vehicle that is parked legally on the highway and quite obviously the finger points to the crackpot over the road. I called the police who have carried out their enquiries and are waiting for a witness to hopefully confirm what is quite obviously suspected. The police also confirmed that the local covenant as regards vans etc...... is basically a load of tripe, but can be used in a civil case. Has anyone any ideas if we cant get this witness statement how we can prosecute the neighbour s rgards this matter?? Thanks again time to break out the surveillance camera and VCR............ |
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Thu, 14 May 2009 - 16:40
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thats our next step......can anyone recommend any cameras etc.....
its getting beyond a joke when one 50 something old dear who has nothing better to do is causing chaos in the neighbourhood. She works at a school as some kind of assistant , i tell you i wouldnt want my kids going there........ This post has been edited by pecity: Thu, 14 May 2009 - 16:41 |
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Fri, 15 May 2009 - 10:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,887 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 From: Manchester Member No.: 15,638 |
Knock on her door and try and talk to her. A dictaphone in your pocket would be useful - especially if she is abusive.
General idea is to build up evidence. You might get an ASBO on her eventually! |
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Fri, 15 May 2009 - 10:34
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QUOTE (pecity @ Thu, 14 May 2009 - 17:40) thats our next step......can anyone recommend any cameras etc..... its getting beyond a joke when one 50 something old dear who has nothing better to do is causing chaos in the neighbourhood. She works at a school as some kind of assistant , i tell you i wouldnt want my kids going there........ As someone who is 50 something, I object to being thought of as an old dear. It is a tendency to learn a little year by year. This makes you young and stupid. -------------------- ARSE DRINK FECK........DRINK MORE TOILET DUCK
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 Fri, 15 May 2009 - 22:30
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QUOTE (spanner345 @ Fri, 15 May 2009 - 11:34) QUOTE (pecity @ Thu, 14 May 2009 - 17:40) thats our next step......can anyone recommend any cameras etc..... its getting beyond a joke when one 50 something old dear who has nothing better to do is causing chaos in the neighbourhood. She works at a school as some kind of assistant , i tell you i wouldnt want my kids going there........ As someone who is 50 something, I object to being thought of as an old dear. It is a tendency to learn a little year by year. This makes you young and stupid. as another 50+ bod, I reserve the right to say Spanner is not an old dear, oldish fart maybe, but definitely not a dear! 
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Sun, 17 May 2009 - 10:05
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I am not a dear or a fart, even being 50+!!
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Mon, 5 Jul 2010 - 20:53
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You'll probably find that parking on the pavement is not an offence as i recall, but driving on the pavement IS, in order for you to have parked on the pavement you must have driven onto it, therefor commiting an offence and the Special constable could have given you and all the residents a ticket, however a PSCO police support community officer cannot issue tickets, if you want to stay above the law park on the road, and i would suggest tucking your mirrors in everytime you leave the vehicle. There are several motion sensored camera on the market that could help you build up your case of criminal damage, just look for cctv on ebay and you'll find loads of them, hope it helps
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Mon, 5 Jul 2010 - 21:04
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I know it it tempting to respond in kind these sort of events are enough to try the patience of a saint, but I would strongly recommend you try and build bridges with her as (if this is possible) it will be less hassle in the long run. Do her husband and son still live there? it may easier to try and have a word with them initially rather than the woman herself.
I would try something along the lines of you realise she doesn't like you parking there but where else would she like you to park? point out the bigger problem to her if you park fully on the carriageway in case of emergency etc. You never know it might work if you get the tone right! If she feels you are trying to take her views into account she might be mollified and less likely to go off the deepend. This post has been edited by Ticket ripper: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 - 21:04 |
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Mon, 5 Jul 2010 - 21:06
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You do realise this thread is over a year old, I take it ?
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Mon, 5 Jul 2010 - 21:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 296 Joined: 13 May 2008 From: Bucks Member No.: 19,501 |
oops!
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