Private parking charge - scotland |
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Private parking charge - scotland |
 Tue, 6 May 2008 - 22:16
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I had previously worked in town and rented a private parking space which i no longer have because i no longer work in town. I do however from time to time still park here but only at weekends the car park is empty because its used by monday to friday 9 to 5 office workers.
Last saturday I went shopping and told my boyfriend it would be ok if he parked his car there, there were signs up saying that illegal parking without permit would result in a fine but i thought it was just a scare tactic i'd never had a fine before, so we were in town for a couple of hours and came back to a fine on the car, I have taken responsiblity for the fine because it was my fault we parked there. However the fine is for £60 if paid within 14 days and £85 if in 28 days. They also add £1.50 if you want to pay by card. I think this seems steep. So do I pay the fine within 14 days? Being a student £60 is a lot of money but saving an extra £25 by paying early is appealing. I have read the advice about the Private Parking companies but i'm not sure how the law stands in scotland. Is it worth waiting till the send out an offical notice and asking if they have proof of who was driving or does this only apply to England and Wales? Having previously ignored a local athority parking notice which ended up costing me £135 due to sherrif officers becoming involved I am tempted to pay. |
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Tue, 6 May 2008 - 23:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,887 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 From: Manchester Member No.: 15,638 |
Tickets from private parking companies in Scotland have the same status as in England - they are unenforceable invoices.
Do not pay. Do not contact them. Ignore any letters that you receive - no matter how threatening they sound. They will eventually go away. Local Authority PCNs are legitimate penalties and you must appeal or pay. Private parking companies are ordinary companies like Joe Bloggs Plasterers who have no authority to issue fines. They can only take you to court to reclaim actual losses. What are their losses for your actions? £0? £2 for sending a letter? What private company would take anyone to court for £2? Who would they even take to court? They would need to find out the name and address of the driver at the time, whereas they can only obtain the address of the registered keeper from the DVLA. These crooks only exist to rake in profit from fake tickets. And the DVLA happily rake in £2.50 a time to sell an address. Do not pay. This post has been edited by Alexis: Tue, 6 May 2008 - 23:22 |
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Wed, 7 May 2008 - 09:19
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 4,008 Joined: 17 Mar 2008 From: Worcestershire Member No.: 18,111 |
As Alexis says, plus I note that you refer to being "fined" by said company. You have not! Only a court can fine you, this company has issued an invoice which they have invited you to pay. Choose not to pay
 You (or the RK) will receive further correspondence from these crooks, just ignore all. They will appear threatening with potentially bad things happening to you, they will not. That is part of the scam, to scare you into paying something that you do do have to  DO NOT talk/write/email them, once you do that, you will enter their "hooked fish" list & they will continue to harass you, ignore them & they (like all bullies) will get bored & go away then move on to someone who does react.Make sure you pass this advice & web site on to your friends so as they do not fall into this trap, the more people that do not pay these con men, the more likely they will cease trading. -------------------- Now driving a Mercedes Sprinter, the Transit died of too much work.
Results for last 5 years:- 12 PPC tickets received, 0 paid 2 Council tickets received, 0 paid (both canceled) 2 Nip's in 40 years 1 paid (damn!) 1 SAC, duly educated! |
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Wed, 7 May 2008 - 11:25
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Member Group: Members Posts: 24,599 Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Member No.: 4,323 |
Welcome to the board ScottishDriver1.
what is the name of this PPC ? -------------------- NOTICE The content of this post and of any replies to it may assist in or relate to the formulation of strategy tactics etcetera in a legal action. This post and any replies to it should therefore be assumed to be legally privileged and therefore must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to outside of the PePiPoo forum on which it was originally posted additionally it must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to by any person or organisation other than a member of PePiPoo appropriately paid up and in full compliance with the PePiPoo terms of use for the forum on which it was originally posted. The PePiPoo terms of use can be found at http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=boardrules. For the avoidance of doubt, if you are reading this material in any form other than an on-line HTML resource directly and legitimately accessed via a URL commencing "http://forums.pepipoo.com" then it has been obtained by improper means and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. If the material you are reading does not include this notice then it has been obtained improperly and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. Your attention is drawn to the Written Standards for the Conduct of Professional Work issued by the Bar Standards Board particularly under heading 7, "Documents".
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Wed, 7 May 2008 - 11:36
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 6 May 2008 Member No.: 19,332 |
The PPC is called Central Ticketing, it has an Edinburgh address on it to which it says payments are to be sent?
I'm just a bit concerned if I leave it that it'll be sent to a debt collection agency who will harse my boyfriend because I know he'll pay the charge just to aviod the hassle. Should I send a letter to them once they have contacted us saying that it is the driver of the vehicle who is responsible and they should contact them? I would just like to get it over and done with because the who thing about debt collectors sounds like a right hassle. |
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Wed, 7 May 2008 - 11:43
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Well if you write to them they will hassle you even more. The debt collectors are fake, just a different desk in the same office as the PPC.
Your best option is to totally ignore them. -------------------- NOTICE The content of this post and of any replies to it may assist in or relate to the formulation of strategy tactics etcetera in a legal action. This post and any replies to it should therefore be assumed to be legally privileged and therefore must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to outside of the PePiPoo forum on which it was originally posted additionally it must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to by any person or organisation other than a member of PePiPoo appropriately paid up and in full compliance with the PePiPoo terms of use for the forum on which it was originally posted. The PePiPoo terms of use can be found at http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=boardrules. For the avoidance of doubt, if you are reading this material in any form other than an on-line HTML resource directly and legitimately accessed via a URL commencing "http://forums.pepipoo.com" then it has been obtained by improper means and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. If the material you are reading does not include this notice then it has been obtained improperly and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. Your attention is drawn to the Written Standards for the Conduct of Professional Work issued by the Bar Standards Board particularly under heading 7, "Documents". Any advice given is taken at your own risk and no liability is accepted if things go wrong.
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Wed, 7 May 2008 - 12:02
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Member Group: Members Posts: 24,599 Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Member No.: 4,323 |
COmpanies house has this
Name & Registered Office: CENTRAL TICKETING LIMITED RADCLYFFE HOUSE 66-68 HAGLEY ROAD BIRMINGHAM WEST MIDLANDS B16 8PF Company No. 05070089 ICO hs them there also reg No: Z9016372 -------------------- NOTICE The content of this post and of any replies to it may assist in or relate to the formulation of strategy tactics etcetera in a legal action. This post and any replies to it should therefore be assumed to be legally privileged and therefore must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to outside of the PePiPoo forum on which it was originally posted additionally it must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to by any person or organisation other than a member of PePiPoo appropriately paid up and in full compliance with the PePiPoo terms of use for the forum on which it was originally posted. The PePiPoo terms of use can be found at http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=boardrules. For the avoidance of doubt, if you are reading this material in any form other than an on-line HTML resource directly and legitimately accessed via a URL commencing "http://forums.pepipoo.com" then it has been obtained by improper means and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. If the material you are reading does not include this notice then it has been obtained improperly and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. Your attention is drawn to the Written Standards for the Conduct of Professional Work issued by the Bar Standards Board particularly under heading 7, "Documents".
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Wed, 7 May 2008 - 12:21
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,887 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 From: Manchester Member No.: 15,638 |
Don't confuse debt collectors with bailiffs.
All the debt collection agencies we've heard about on here do nothing more than send letters. I think there was one person who got a phonecall (cue scary music), but that's very exceptional. |
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Wed, 7 May 2008 - 13:03
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 6 May 2008 Member No.: 19,332 |
Thank you for your help.
I've read Legal Pete's advice and he says to contact the company saying that they have to prove who was driving and if they can't they have to cancel the notice because the contract is with the driver not the owner of the vehicle. If it was my car then I would be quiet happy to ignore any threats but unfortunately I know it'll go to my boyfriends house and he'll pay up to avoid the hassle. So in order to stop him paying up because of the threat of debt collectors is it worth my while writing to them when they send the notice through? I had a wee look around the carpark today and I couldn't see any CCTV or anything so I don't know how they will prove who was driving. |
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Wed, 7 May 2008 - 13:14
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Member Group: Members Posts: 24,599 Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Member No.: 4,323 |
point your boyfriend here...
As Alexis said:- "Do not pay. Do not contact them. Ignore any letters that you receive - no matter how threatening they sound. They will eventually go away." -------------------- NOTICE The content of this post and of any replies to it may assist in or relate to the formulation of strategy tactics etcetera in a legal action. This post and any replies to it should therefore be assumed to be legally privileged and therefore must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to outside of the PePiPoo forum on which it was originally posted additionally it must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to by any person or organisation other than a member of PePiPoo appropriately paid up and in full compliance with the PePiPoo terms of use for the forum on which it was originally posted. The PePiPoo terms of use can be found at http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=boardrules. For the avoidance of doubt, if you are reading this material in any form other than an on-line HTML resource directly and legitimately accessed via a URL commencing "http://forums.pepipoo.com" then it has been obtained by improper means and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. If the material you are reading does not include this notice then it has been obtained improperly and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. Your attention is drawn to the Written Standards for the Conduct of Professional Work issued by the Bar Standards Board particularly under heading 7, "Documents".
Note that I am not legally qualified and any and all statements made are "Reserved". Liability for application lies with the reader. |
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Wed, 7 May 2008 - 13:19
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Member Group: Members Posts: 9,219 Joined: 23 Apr 2004 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 1,131 |
QUOTE (ScottishDriver1 @ Wed, 7 May 2008 - 14:03)  Thank you for your help. I've read Legal Pete's advice and he says to contact the company saying that they have to prove who was driving and if they can't they have to cancel the notice because the contract is with the driver not the owner of the vehicle. If it was my car then I would be quiet happy to ignore any threats but unfortunately I know it'll go to my boyfriends house and he'll pay up to avoid the hassle. So in order to stop him paying up because of the threat of debt collectors is it worth my while writing to them when they send the notice through? I had a wee look around the carpark today and I couldn't see any CCTV or anything so I don't know how they will prove who was driving. You seem to be falling for the PPC propaganda and spin. You really should not write to them. It is a tried and proven method of defeating the PPCs. Believe it or not if you write to them you will be on the hooked fish list and you will receive far more letters demanding payment than if you stayed completely silent. This post has been edited by Glacier2: Wed, 7 May 2008 - 13:26 -------------------- NOTICE The content of this post and of any replies to it may assist in or relate to the formulation of strategy tactics etcetera in a legal action. This post and any replies to it should therefore be assumed to be legally privileged and therefore must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to outside of the PePiPoo forum on which it was originally posted additionally it must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to by any person or organisation other than a member of PePiPoo appropriately paid up and in full compliance with the PePiPoo terms of use for the forum on which it was originally posted. The PePiPoo terms of use can be found at http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=boardrules. For the avoidance of doubt, if you are reading this material in any form other than an on-line HTML resource directly and legitimately accessed via a URL commencing "http://forums.pepipoo.com" then it has been obtained by improper means and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. If the material you are reading does not include this notice then it has been obtained improperly and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. Your attention is drawn to the Written Standards for the Conduct of Professional Work issued by the Bar Standards Board particularly under heading 7, "Documents". Any advice given is taken at your own risk and no liability is accepted if things go wrong.
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Wed, 7 May 2008 - 21:19
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 1 Dec 2007 Member No.: 15,745 |
emm...sounds like you are a bit scared of your boy friend?
get him telt and dont phone those idiots |
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Wed, 7 May 2008 - 21:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Member No.: 6,324 |
If your boyfriend does pay, can i please have his address too so i can also send him a threatening but legally unenforcable invoice.
Get him to read this thread, or the hundreds of similar ones on this forum. |
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Wed, 7 May 2008 - 22:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 7 May 2008 Member No.: 19,359 |
QUOTE (ScottishDriver1 @ Tue, 6 May 2008 - 23:16) I had previously worked in town and rented a private parking space which i no longer have because i no longer work in town. I do however from time to time still park here but only at weekends the car park is empty because its used by monday to friday 9 to 5 office workers.
Last saturday I went shopping and told my boyfriend it would be ok if he parked his car there, there were signs up saying that illegal parking without permit would result in a fine but i thought it was just a scare tactic i'd never had a fine before, so we were in town for a couple of hours and came back to a fine on the car, I have taken responsiblity for the fine because it was my fault we parked there. However the fine is for £60 if paid within 14 days and £85 if in 28 days. They also add £1.50 if you want to pay by card. I think this seems steep. So do I pay the fine within 14 days? Being a student £60 is a lot of money but saving an extra £25 by paying early is appealing. I have read the advice about the Private Parking companies but i'm not sure how the law stands in scotland. Is it worth waiting till the send out an offical notice and asking if they have proof of who was driving or does this only apply to England and Wales? Having previously ignored a local athority parking notice which ended up costing me £135 due to sherrif officers becoming involved I am tempted to pay. |
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Wed, 7 May 2008 - 23:09
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Member Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 7 May 2008 Member No.: 19,359 |
Hello Ledgay??.new postings on the HELP site have me quite worried, as they claim that a guy was taken to court, and these tickets are legal in scotland. Apparently, the details can be Googled to see the actual law.
I am just going to "follow the crowd" and ignore the blaggards, even although they are supposed to be taking a decree out against me. Don't know what you think of this site as compared to help site?? I find it the most difficult to navigate that i have ever been on. They obviously have never used the holiday watchdog site, or holidayclubtales!!! Hold on tight there and don't let your boyfriend be intimidated in to paying CT. |
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Wed, 7 May 2008 - 23:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 9,219 Joined: 23 Apr 2004 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 1,131 |
All lies. These invoices are unenforceable in Scotland. Don't mind the bull they are spinning.
-------------------- NOTICE The content of this post and of any replies to it may assist in or relate to the formulation of strategy tactics etcetera in a legal action. This post and any replies to it should therefore be assumed to be legally privileged and therefore must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to outside of the PePiPoo forum on which it was originally posted additionally it must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to by any person or organisation other than a member of PePiPoo appropriately paid up and in full compliance with the PePiPoo terms of use for the forum on which it was originally posted. The PePiPoo terms of use can be found at http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=boardrules. For the avoidance of doubt, if you are reading this material in any form other than an on-line HTML resource directly and legitimately accessed via a URL commencing "http://forums.pepipoo.com" then it has been obtained by improper means and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. If the material you are reading does not include this notice then it has been obtained improperly and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. Your attention is drawn to the Written Standards for the Conduct of Professional Work issued by the Bar Standards Board particularly under heading 7, "Documents". Any advice given is taken at your own risk and no liability is accepted if things go wrong.
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Wed, 18 Jun 2008 - 16:18
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 6 May 2008 Member No.: 19,332 |
I posted on this forum a couple of months back I had parked in a private car park and received a private parking notice. I've followed your advice so far ignoring the letters however one was received today saying that if £223 wasn't paid by the end of June then court action would follow.
I'm now a bit concerned, it was my boyfriend driving the car and I didn't realise that he had his car registered in his dads name for insurance purposes so basically his dad's not at all happy now and saying that we have to pay it because its going to affect his credit rating. I also found this website which also concerns me http://www.combinedparkingsolutions.com/legal.html Oh and finaly i don't have £223 to pay the fine! |
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 Oh, and: QUOTE this website which also concerns me http://www.combinedparkingsolutions.com/legal.html That page is complete bulls**t. -------------------- Regards,
Fredd __________________________________________________________________________
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Wed, 18 Jun 2008 - 16:32
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QUOTE (ScottishDriver1 @ Wed, 18 Jun 2008 - 17:18) if £223 wasn't paid by the end of June then court action would follow. I think you'll find that it says "court action MAY follow"! They know they will never go to court, so they are not promising anything. Chuckle at their ever more depserate attempts to extort money from you, file their letter and keep waiting. If one of these ever did go to court they would lose, and there would be plenty of people who would love to help you. -------------------- Dave-o 3-0 LB Waltham Forest.
Goalscorers: B. Alighting 08', G. Fettered 34', I. Markings 42' Dave-o 2-0 LB Islington Goalscorers: V. Locus 82', I. Dates, 87' Dave-o 1-0 LB Redbridge Goalscorer: I. Markings 79' Dave-o 1-0 LB sCamden Goalscorer: I. Dates, 86' |
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Wed, 18 Jun 2008 - 16:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 9,219 Joined: 23 Apr 2004 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 1,131 |
Continue to ignore. They will go away.
-------------------- NOTICE The content of this post and of any replies to it may assist in or relate to the formulation of strategy tactics etcetera in a legal action. This post and any replies to it should therefore be assumed to be legally privileged and therefore must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to outside of the PePiPoo forum on which it was originally posted additionally it must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to by any person or organisation other than a member of PePiPoo appropriately paid up and in full compliance with the PePiPoo terms of use for the forum on which it was originally posted. The PePiPoo terms of use can be found at http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=boardrules. For the avoidance of doubt, if you are reading this material in any form other than an on-line HTML resource directly and legitimately accessed via a URL commencing "http://forums.pepipoo.com" then it has been obtained by improper means and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. If the material you are reading does not include this notice then it has been obtained improperly and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. Your attention is drawn to the Written Standards for the Conduct of Professional Work issued by the Bar Standards Board particularly under heading 7, "Documents". Any advice given is taken at your own risk and no liability is accepted if things go wrong.
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