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Laser Jammers and perverting the course of justice
SafeSpeed
post Thu, 10 Jun 2004 - 08:51
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Last year a chap in South Wales was charged with "attempting to pervert the course of justice" after being caught using a laser jammer.

But wait a minute. Suppose the laser jammer was working correctly. They don't have (obvious) evidence of an offence of speeding do they? So what's the "justice" that was supposed to be perverted again?


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post Thu, 10 Jun 2004 - 09:31
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Hi Paul,

You may find that, by the end of this month, ‘they’ are going to wish that it had been mandatory to install laser jammers in all vehicles. icon_eek.gif ..... icon_redface.gif


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post Thu, 10 Jun 2004 - 09:49
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If I remember correctly. Paul, he pleaded guilty as he could not afford legal representation - so much for justice !
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post Thu, 10 Jun 2004 - 09:56
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Paul,

AFAIK, two points about the S. Wales case.
1) He pled guilty.
2) He had been 'buzzing' talivans quite frequently. It is therefore possible that they mounted a 'sting'operation; i.e. they got speeding evidence by another means. Remember, two policemen's (who could have been in the van) opinion would suffice.

There have been subsequent prosecutions for laser jammers, in Surrey and Cumbria, but AFAIK they were only obstruction of the police in the execution of their duty.
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jimmy ferrari
post Thu, 10 Jun 2004 - 14:26
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Yes he was from what I remember 'goading' the police!

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/ne...ll&siteid=50082


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SafeSpeed
post Thu, 10 Jun 2004 - 15:01
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QUOTE (jeffreyarcher)
Paul,

AFAIK, two points about the S. Wales case.
1) He pled guilty.
2) He had been 'buzzing' talivans quite frequently. It is therefore possible that they mounted a 'sting'operation; i.e. they got speeding evidence by another means. Remember, two policemen's (who could have been in the van) opinion would suffice.

There have been subsequent prosecutions for laser jammers, in Surrey and Cumbria, but AFAIK they were only obstruction of the police in the execution of their duty.


Absolutely. He did plead guilty. And he may have been "stung".

But the key point remains: Attempting to pervert the course of justice is unlikely to succeed as a charge against someone using a laser jammer because there's no offence recorded and therefore justice hasn't started and can't be perverted.


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post Thu, 10 Jun 2004 - 15:53
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Got to disagree with you Paul - that is why it ATTEMPT to pervert the course of justice.
I don't think the Courts would have any difficulty agreeing that fitting and turning on a device to prevent you getting caught speeding, or even fitting number plates that were either deliberately the wrong reg. or unphotographable, could be for any other reason than to hamper the work of the Police.
Any case why bother risking it - there are plenty of other ways to avoid prosecution aren't there. Probably even more by the end of the month icon_wink.gif


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post Thu, 10 Jun 2004 - 16:11
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QUOTE (nigeldunne64)
Got to disagree with you Paul - that is why it ATTEMPT to pervert the course of justice.


What if he was not speeding and therefore did not commit an offence which the course of justice was going to rectify???

Anyway I thought of much better ultimate passive radar detector - based on current GPS with laser detection but linked to mobile via bluetooth to alert all members of a speed trap automatically. All members will download regular updates via mobile connection (GPRS or 3G). These updates could be pushed faster to those who are in locality (as detected by GPS unit) of newly discovered traps. All done automatically virtually in real time rolleyes.gif .

Thus the biggest hazard (hidden vans) would only get few people and after that traffic will be calm. I'd call it Adaptive Safety System - it learns from the police about "dangerous spots" on the road icon_wink.gif

Now that sounds pretty legal to me and definately not different from those legal GPS radar firms who provide online updates about speedtraps. Legal in my view but who knows for sure? icon_eek.gif
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