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V8Howler
post Thu, 8 Apr 2021 - 18:07
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Hello all, am very new to this so hopefully all relevant detail is included, if it's not then please advise and I'll update.

So, I was stopped on a dual carriageway, the allegation is that I was doing an average as measured by the Officer between 2 bridges of 96 in a 70, he alleges that I was doing over 100 at some points but "couldn't get me for that"

There were 2 officers in a marked BMW, in North Wales.

The code on the T.O.R. is SV77011

As I've read on here already, he underplayed the potential penalty (possibly to reduce conflict at roadside maybe, there was none, it was all very polite)

The officer that spoke to me explained that I may receive a conditional offer in the post in the next few weeks.

My query is this, for some reason the officer that did all the talking said to me that although he filled the T.O.R. in he had used his colleagues details and if I wanted to contact him then contact the other officer, the officer that did the talking did not provide his own details to me.
The officer whose details he used did not speak to me at all.
I was cautioned by the officer who did the talking, as soon as he approached me, he asked if I had anything to say, I said "no"

I'm asking out of interest if this is allowed really, it seems unusual.

Thanks in advance for any replies.
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post Thu, 8 Apr 2021 - 18:09
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I can't see anything that would advantage you.
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V8Howler
post Thu, 8 Apr 2021 - 18:10
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QUOTE (BaggieBoy @ Thu, 8 Apr 2021 - 19:09) *
I can't see anything that would advantage you.



Thank you, was worth an ask.
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The Rookie
post Thu, 8 Apr 2021 - 18:17
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For 96 you are very unlikely to be offered a fixed penalty, a Single Justice Procedure Notice (aka a summons) to court is all but certain, and may well not arrive on your doormat for 6 months.

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V8Howler
post Thu, 8 Apr 2021 - 18:19
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 8 Apr 2021 - 19:17) *
For 96 you are very unlikely to be offered a fixed penalty, a Single Justice Procedure Notice (aka a summons) to court is all but certain, and may well not arrive on your doorstep for 6 months.


I have to admit, it did seem unlikely.

Many thanks for the reply.
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post Thu, 8 Apr 2021 - 19:29
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QUOTE (V8Howler @ Thu, 8 Apr 2021 - 18:19) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 8 Apr 2021 - 19:17) *
For 96 you are very unlikely to be offered a fixed penalty, a Single Justice Procedure Notice (aka a summons) to court is all but certain, and may well not arrive on your doorstep for 6 months.


I have to admit, it did seem unlikely.

Many thanks for the reply.


Well, you were not that far away, in a 70 limit, 95 is normally a fixed penalty of £100 + 3points, 96 goes to court and probably 5 points, fine of one week's net income less 33%, surcharge of 10% (min £34) and £85 costs. A real cliff edge situation


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post Thu, 8 Apr 2021 - 20:51
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QUOTE (Logician @ Thu, 8 Apr 2021 - 20:29) *
QUOTE (V8Howler @ Thu, 8 Apr 2021 - 18:19) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 8 Apr 2021 - 19:17) *
For 96 you are very unlikely to be offered a fixed penalty, a Single Justice Procedure Notice (aka a summons) to court is all but certain, and may well not arrive on your doorstep for 6 months.


I have to admit, it did seem unlikely.

Many thanks for the reply.


Well, you were not that far away, in a 70 limit, 95 is normally a fixed penalty of £100 + 3points, 96 goes to court and probably 5 points, fine of one week's net income less 33%, surcharge of 10% (min £34) and £85 costs. A real cliff edge situation



Thanks, not the disaster it seemed last night at least!

A lesson learned.
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post Fri, 9 Apr 2021 - 00:51
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Anecdotally officers have been known to put a lower speed on the TOR if you are close to the boundary between a fixed penalty and court. Especially if you have passed the attitude test.


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post Fri, 9 Apr 2021 - 05:47
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Fri, 9 Apr 2021 - 01:51) *
Anecdotally officers have been known to put a lower speed on the TOR if you are close to the boundary between a fixed penalty and court. Especially if you have passed the attitude test.



I'd like to think I'd passed that, he was as "ok" with me as he could have been given the circumstances.

Thanks for the reply.
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post Fri, 9 Apr 2021 - 06:15
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Fri, 9 Apr 2021 - 01:51) *
Anecdotally officers have been known to put a lower speed on the TOR if you are close to the boundary between a fixed penalty and court. Especially if you have passed the attitude test.

Last time I was caught speeding (23rd December 1990!) the officer followed me and said I was doing between 97 and 99 (no argument, I had consciously kept it just below the ton) and he said that as my driving was otherwise good he would put it as 94 and offer me a fixed penalty, if that was OK with he (heck yes!) long time ago, but yes it does happen.

If you are going to speed its always worth knowing the various important speeds, Limit+10%+2mph is for when they will take action (so 78 in a 70, no action, 79, yes) for awareness courses (England and Wales) add 7mph to that for getting a course. A fixed penalty is offered up to 25mph over the limit (40 and up) or 20 over (20 and 30). In your case going just 1mph slower would have saved a chunk of money and hassle.


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Rookies 1-0 Birmingham

PPC PCN's
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post Fri, 9 Apr 2021 - 07:10
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Fri, 9 Apr 2021 - 07:15) *
QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Fri, 9 Apr 2021 - 01:51) *
Anecdotally officers have been known to put a lower speed on the TOR if you are close to the boundary between a fixed penalty and court. Especially if you have passed the attitude test.

Last time I was caught speeding (23rd December 1990!) the officer followed me and said I was doing between 97 and 99 (no argument, I had consciously kept it just below the ton) and he said that as my driving was otherwise good he would put it as 94 and offer me a fixed penalty, if that was OK with he (heck yes!) long time ago, but yes it does happen.

If you are going to speed its always worth knowing the various important speeds, Limit+10%+2mph is for when they will take action (so 78 in a 70, no action, 79, yes) for awareness courses (England and Wales) add 7mph to that for getting a course. A fixed penalty is offered up to 25mph over the limit (40 and up) or 20 over (20 and 30). In your case going just 1mph slower would have saved a chunk of money and hassle.



Thanks for the advice, very much appreciated, hopefully this will be a one off, I guess I've been very lucky so far not to have this experience before!
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