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Malcolmdgama04
post Fri, 24 Jul 2020 - 10:23
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Hi

My wife recently recieved the following PCN for entering a restricted area 9 mins into the area becoming restricted. She didnt notice the signage as its on a roundabout.

I was wondering if there was any possibility to appeal the penalty. As you can see the signage is only on the exit.. and not before so i dont see how anyone can react that quickly even if they saw it. To me it feels like a money trap for the council.

Images provided are uploaded below:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgurG8BuESRlgvloFxr...Nh8J5w?e=gUMXCg


Biggin Way SE19 is where the indicent happened at 14:09

Many thanks in advance for all your help




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post Fri, 24 Jul 2020 - 11:06
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QUOTE (Malcolmdgama04 @ Fri, 24 Jul 2020 - 11:23) *
Hi

My wife recently recieved the following PCN for entering a restricted area 9 mins into the area becoming restricted. She didnt notice the signage as its on a roundabout.

I was wondering if there was any possibility to appeal the penalty. As you can see the signage is only on the exit.. and not before so i dont see how anyone can react that quickly even if they saw it. To me it feels like a money trap for the council.

Images provided are uploaded below:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgurG8BuESRlgvloFxr...Nh8J5w?e=gUMXCg


Biggin Way SE19 is where the indicent happened at 14:09

Many thanks in advance for all your help


You need to post all pages of the PCN and get and post the video


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Malcolmdgama04
post Fri, 24 Jul 2020 - 14:12
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I have posted the PCN file into the one drive folder. I want provided with a video.
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post Fri, 24 Jul 2020 - 14:30
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QUOTE (Malcolmdgama04 @ Fri, 24 Jul 2020 - 15:12) *
I have posted the PCN file into the one drive folder. I want provided with a video.


All pages of the PCN. If you read it it will tell you how to get the video


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post Fri, 24 Jul 2020 - 14:39
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I've checked and the video is not online currently. It may appear later if I've triggered a request.
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Malcolmdgama04
post Sat, 25 Jul 2020 - 07:25
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Thanks. ive checked again today and the video is still not online. I have uploaded the other pages now.

Thanks again for your help
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Mad Mick V
post Sat, 25 Jul 2020 - 08:42
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Maybe they have made a mistake with the reference to Virginia Road on the PCN.

TBH how the restriction works off a roundabout escapes me.

Here's the Notice:-

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3375651

It gives the restriction as Biggin Way "between Biggin Hill & Downsview Road"

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Malcolmdgama04
post Sat, 25 Jul 2020 - 19:44
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According to the Map. Biggin way is between Downsview Road And Virginia Road.

So virginia Road is next to Biggin way. I have saved a copy of the map in the folders as well.








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Malcolmdgama04
post Sat, 25 Jul 2020 - 20:23
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As biggin way is off a round about , should they state all 3 names on the Road traffic act.

Also should they be providing video evidence ? its still not online.

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post Sun, 26 Jul 2020 - 17:51
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Can you pop back and check if there are any advance warning signs on the approaches to the roundabout? Also can you get us pictures of the signs?


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Malcolmdgama04
post Sun, 26 Jul 2020 - 19:54
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No advance signs on the approach to the roundabout.

I have saved a copy of the picture of the signs
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post Sun, 26 Jul 2020 - 21:22
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Put the picture up here so we can have a look.


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Malcolmdgama04
post Mon, 27 Jul 2020 - 05:47
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Hi Sorry, i wasnt able to uplaod the pic here.. it gives me an error. Does it need to be in a certain format.

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post Mon, 27 Jul 2020 - 09:27
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Upload to an external site like imgur.com or imgbb.com as there's no upload space on here. Then either use the BB codes to embed the images in a post (if you know or can work out how to do that), or just give us a link.


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Malcolmdgama04
post Mon, 27 Jul 2020 - 12:03
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I have uploaded the files into my onedrive.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgurG8BuESRlgvloFxr...Nh8J5w?e=gUMXCg

If you cant see the images. I'm happy to upload it on the other site.
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post Mon, 27 Jul 2020 - 12:15
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https://ibb.co/R0jKPXd
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post Mon, 27 Jul 2020 - 12:41
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QUOTE (Malcolmdgama04 @ Mon, 27 Jul 2020 - 13:15) *

The sign is angled to be visible to a driver coming round the roundabout. Any luck with the video yet?


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Malcolmdgama04
post Mon, 27 Jul 2020 - 18:52
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Nothing yet . Do I need to request it
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post Mon, 27 Jul 2020 - 19:06
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QUOTE (Malcolmdgama04 @ Mon, 27 Jul 2020 - 19:52) *
Nothing yet . Do I need to request it

I guess so, you might need to contact the council if their website doesn't work.


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Malcolmdgama04
post Mon, 27 Jul 2020 - 19:17
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Also if she was coming from virginia road, then the hump sign might be blocking the view.


Do they need to provide a video ?

Also should she have been fined if it was only 9 mins into the start of the zone becoming restricted.
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