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TKS
post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 16:26
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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could give me any help for my situation.

Basically I am a healthcare professional who has recently been commuting to Liverpool via the M62 to work over the past month. Over the two weeks I have received 7 speeding fines on the temporary 50mph zone between J11 and J12 all for the same speed of 57mph.

I’ve had my licence 3 years and have never done a speed awareness course. I’m aware of the totting up process and clearly with the number of fines that I have I will be facing a ban which I really can’t afford with regards to the nature of my work.

I have spoken to solicitors to get advice on my situation and they are fairly confident that they can help me in my situation as I have a fairly strong case however at a cost of £700 for written representation and a further £500 to represent me in court if it should go that far which is very pricey.

I was wondering if I could get any advice from someone who has dealt with a similar situation like mine on their own.

Thank you
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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 16:40
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What stage are you at? The usual advice would be to return all the driver nominations together with a letter asking them to consider 'leniency' as you didn't have the opportunity to modify your behaviour prior to the 1st NIP arriving. However, they don't have to. An awareness course doesn't really help you right now either.

In terms of a 'fairly strong case' I'm not sure what this is referring to. I don't believe there's a strong case to avoid totting.

However, you may have a case for an exceptional hardship plea. The impact on others carries the most weight - and the impact on your patients might be able to tip it at the moment. But there a lot of factors they'll consider, like whether using public transport is appropriate etc.

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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 16:55
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So I received the first two NIPs last week and have received a further 5 this week. I have already sent off the first two but did not add a letter to consider leniency.
With regards to this letter would it be best to include all the reasons that I would give in an exceptional hardship case or leave for later on down the line if it comes to it.

With regards to the strong case reference I am not sure. Is there any significant difference in the success a solicitor could bring in preventing me getting a driving ban compared me trying to deal with this on my own?

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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 17:22
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QUOTE (TKS @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 17:55) *
So I received the first two NIPs last week and have received a further 5 this week. I have already sent off the first two but did not add a letter to consider leniency.

Ok, adapt the following:

Dear xxxxxx,

Thank you for the 3 letters you sent me, dated xxx, yyy and zzz.

I am hugely embarrassed to receive them. I am a very careful driver who is aware of the danger of exceeding the speed limit, and I was shocked that I would have made mistakes so close together.

I'm sure you can imagine if I had received the first letter before subsequent offences I would have immediately corrected my driving. I would ask that you use your discretion to consider these offences together, due to the short intervening periods.

Thank you in advance for your assistance - rest assured I have learnt my lesson and will ensure such a mistake does not reoccur.

Your sincerely,


QUOTE (TKS @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 17:55) *
With regards to this letter would it be best to include all the reasons that I would give in an exceptional hardship case or leave for later on down the line if it comes to it.

You can't offer an EH plea to the Police. But I guess it wouldn't hurt to point out your situation.

QUOTE (TKS @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 17:55) *
With regards to the strong case reference I am not sure. Is there any significant difference in the success a solicitor could bring in preventing me getting a driving ban compared me trying to deal with this on my own?

There's an opinion that an EH plea comes best from the defendant. A solicitor may be more familiar with the process and being able to advise/present better - but it's not cheap.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 17:58
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QUOTE (TKS @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 17:26) *
I am a healthcare professional


There seems to be a lot of currency in that at the moment. Whilst not a 'get out of jail free' card, people at all stages in the prosecution process are more likely to be sympathetic to healthcare professionals at the moment, and less inclined to prevent them from being able to get to work.

TL;DR - mentioning that you are a healthcare professional who relies on their car to get to work, in your begging letter, might increase the chances from zero to slim.


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IanJohnsonWS14
post Sat, 23 May 2020 - 07:27
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The draft is inconsistent

Reference to correcting your behaviour implies that you were knowingly speeding as a matter of course (the behaviour that is to correct). That doesn’t fit with it being two mistakes close together.


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post Sat, 23 May 2020 - 09:10
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And that be the issue - which is why it rarely works but no harm in trying. For many cases it's - 'I knowingly ignored the limit because I didn't think I'd be caught'.


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PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

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