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TFL PCN, Discrepancies in information on PCN
Piditguy
post Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 20:09
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Dear members

I received PCN from TFL stating vehicle was stopped where prohibited.
The PCN was affixed on the windscreen.
However, not a single uploaded photo on TFL portal shows the affixed PCN on the car windscreen.

Secondly, on TFL website, against all 4 uploaded photographs, the caption was "photo taken from London Road Network Camera". And the uploaded photo on TFL portal shows it's manually taken by the officer.
The PCN has officer code 7259T and signature.
I have checked, there are no roadside cameras installed in that area.

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Isn't this a perfect example of misrepresentation of information i.e. photo taken by road camera Vs manually taken photos ?


On what ground can I challenge this PCN?

Any guidance will be highly appreciated.
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stamfordman
post Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 20:14
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Post the PCN and pics. TFL PCNs are often given by CCTV but not always and this sounds like a template wording issue on the site.

Put pics on https://imgbb.com or such like as space on forum is limited.
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Piditguy
post Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 20:57
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Uploaded here.
Please let me know if you can see them.

https://ibb.co/VNNzqKG
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stamfordman
post Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 21:04
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City Road is near me so I know it well - whereabouts was this - can you pinpoint it on google street view?

You have a blue badge - what was the reason for the stop? the pic of badge suggests something amiss. Also you are on the 14 day discount deadline.

There are CCTV cameras almost everywhere on red routes by the way. But they also have officers on bikes who patrol red routes. London road network camera could be by either really.

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Piditguy
post Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 21:45
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Nr Moorfield eye hospital entrance. Parked in disabled parking lot zone, TO attend hospital appointment.
I parked at 910am. Misread the sign that parking allowed till 10am, actually it's other way around.
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stamfordman
post Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 21:55
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I'm a Moorfields patient too - was there 2 weeks ago. But I get the bus...

If you are bang to rights then you need to decide now whether to pay the discount or make a challenge asking for discretion. In our view it is usually worth a punt on discretion as a BB holder. Was it a routine appointment?
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Piditguy
post Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 22:01
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I will go and challenge the PCN.
It's a routine appointment.

Thanks for your help mate.

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cp8759
post Fri, 27 Mar 2020 - 22:20
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Let's see the other side of the PCN, it should have a known flaw.


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Piditguy
post Yesterday, 19:57
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Uploaded pic of back side of pcn
https://ibb.co/gzQBxMg
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post Yesterday, 21:51
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There's a will / may flaw on the back of the PCN, that could win on its own if you fancy a technical appeal. We cannot give a 100% guarantee that it'll work, but TFL normally re-offers the discount at both the informal and formal stage.


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Piditguy
post Yesterday, 22:09
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Hi, would highly appreciate to hear your feedback and will consider it.
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cp8759
post Yesterday, 22:20
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Have a read of James Demery v London Borough of Bexley (2180251300, 25 July 2018) your PCN has the same issue.


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Piditguy
post Yesterday, 23:59
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Thank you sir for your guidance.
Will read.
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