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Newham London PCN 52m Browning Road E12 (North Side), Is this PCN valid?
beeks
post Fri, 20 Mar 2020 - 23:11
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Hello experts! I have received a PCN issued by camera operator 3297 by London Borough of Newham. I am attaching the pictures for your reference. This is the first of it's kind I have ever received. I had to meet someone near E126NB and this is the route suggested by the navigator. The signs may not be noticeable as it was dark at night, weather was unfavourable and I was following navigator. The oncoming cyclist and the pole in the middle of the street made me worried too.

Is this PCN valid? should there be time restrictions? are they allowed to close the road for a flowing traffic? I find it unfair and unacceptable. What grounds do I have to challenge this PCN to get it waived/cancelled?

Google maps isn't showing the signage:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5466885,0...6384!8i8192

PCN attached below:
https://ibb.co/hsMKymx
https://ibb.co/xhzDGPD
https://ibb.co/R9dWckM
https://ibb.co/2ZFrPxq

Council pics and video available on:
https://parking.newham.gov.uk/pages/OnlineNoticeReview.aspx
PCN: PN61166435
Car: HV14CXT
Webcode: 328VP167
https://ibb.co/LxCv2NQ
https://ibb.co/Wvhb21C
https://ibb.co/gdg58mZ

Much appreciated.

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post Fri, 20 Mar 2020 - 23:46
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There's another thread running on this location, have you read it ? I'm not sure what stage it's at. This seems to be quite a new restriction, hence we're getting threads started on it recently. It would seem when GSV last came round with their camera, to have only been restricted in the other direction :-
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5462509,0...6384!8i8192
(The blue signs)
I'm not sure what appeal arguments have been suggested so far, but the signs in your photos seem clear and also illuminated.

































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post Sat, 21 Mar 2020 - 11:47
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thanks Incandescent..
restriction on the other direction is in place for many years..
the new restriction is effectively blocking the traffic flow in both direction with some exceptions..
Even if I have seen the signs, the cramped road don't allow to stop/reverse (which is anyway unsafe) and there's no way to take a u-turn anywhere.
The road network and restrictions are designed like a fishing net..

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post Sat, 21 Mar 2020 - 12:54
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Well, you're right about "fishing net", councils are dining out very generously on restrictions like this. However, the real reason for most of them is to stop rat-running. There really isn't any answer to traffic in London, all the proposed developments of the 60s were abandoned and almost all the housing and streets were built before the Motor Age. The Buchanan Report of 1962 said that even if all the through traffic was removed, the local traffic if left unrestricted would clog all cities up eventually. Remember this was 1962 when far fewer people had a car.

Sorry I can't suggest a "killer" appeal; the signs are there and clear. There is a side street so you can't say it is impossible to turn around.

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post Tue, 24 Mar 2020 - 17:54
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QUOTE (beeks @ Sat, 21 Mar 2020 - 11:47) *
thanks Incandescent..
restriction on the other direction is in place for many years..
the new restriction is effectively blocking the traffic flow in both direction with some exceptions..
Even if I have seen the signs, the cramped road don't allow to stop/reverse (which is anyway unsafe) and there's no way to take a u-turn anywhere.
The road network and restrictions are designed like a fishing net..


I also received similar notice for travelling on 1st of Mar. Is there anyway to appeal?
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John U.K.
post Tue, 24 Mar 2020 - 17:59
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I also received similar notice for travelling on 1st of Mar. Is there anyway to appeal?


As usual, (one case per thread) for advice please start your own thread and post up there all sides of all the paperwork. Leave in all dates and times. only redact personal details.
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post Tue, 24 Mar 2020 - 18:27
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QUOTE (John U.K. @ Tue, 24 Mar 2020 - 17:59) *
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I also received similar notice for travelling on 1st of Mar. Is there anyway to appeal?


As usual, (one case per thread) for advice please start your own thread and post up there all sides of all the paperwork. Leave in all dates and times. only redact personal details.


Thanks John. Raised it another thread but it didn;t go anywhere so thought to check it here. I was also driving in similar direction so thought similar condition (if any) may apply for appeal.
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post Tue, 24 Mar 2020 - 19:12
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Thanks John. Raised it another thread


If you mean you already have a thread please comment on it so it moves up to the top of the list.
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post Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 22:27
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BUMP -

Seems Newham are out to get me... I have 3 PCNS for the same contravention : i didnt bother creating a new thread.

they were in the evening, its very hard to spot the signs they arent apparent as its new,

can i appeal on grounds that it isnt on google maps?

any help appreciated...

do i really have to pay 3 PCNS for the same offence... wheres the justice. when i opened the letter i did laugh for a moment. At this rate im just gonna sell my car and get a bicycle.

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post Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 22:34
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Signs are clear as day no hope there. but as to paying 3 we do not know because we cannot see them Post the first page of all 3 in chronological order


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post Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 22:49
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Here are the 3 PCN's

https://ibb.co/vHywRyv

https://ibb.co/0mTR9wW

https://ibb.co/7t9h96C

gosh this seems so unfair...
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post Fri, 27 Mar 2020 - 10:51
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All three contraventions were committed before the date of notice of the first I would pay the first at the discount and ask thet the other two be treated as continuing contraventions. You made the same mistake 3 times but because if the delay with the first PCN you were not put on notice of this mistake

See 2160273606

The appellant does not deny the contravention but states that he was travelling to Highgate hospital and was a stranger to the area and made the same mistake twice in one day as a consequence of which he received two PCN's
I am satisfied form the evidence that the contravention did occur. However I also find that as the there is a time lag in issuing a PCN by post, a motorist can unwittingly continue to make the same mistake until they receive notification of the PCN and in these circumstances I find the second PCN issued to be a continuing contravention and allow the appeal in relation to the second PCN under case number 2160273606 but refuse the first PCN issued under case number 2160273661


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cp8759
post Fri, 27 Mar 2020 - 22:43
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Post a draft on here before sending it.


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ramy10
post Yesterday, 21:02
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it may be long short but check this out this is an experimental traffic regulation, you can read about it on the link below.
https://www.newham.gov.uk/Pages/ServiceChil...reet-North.aspx

now comes the interesting part an experiment need to stop or it should be made a permanent one. now i want you to scroll down to the last bit, of the above link, Letter sent to the residents of Little Ilford area - 9 August 2019. check few things on this letter
https://www.newham.gov.uk/Documents/Transpo...dentsLetter.pdf

few things on this letter

1. Re: Experimental access control scheme at Browning Road Bridge ( it is experiment) , now certainly you want to know for how long for which, go to the 2nd page penultimate line. it talks about a

The virtual A1 permit will cover 6 months experimental period of the scheme and any resident who changes their vehicle will need to inform the Council of the change, or their new vehicle will be ticketed for passing through the closure.

Now then it looks like they started for 6 month and the letter talks about the start date as go live date as 19th of august, which should have been ended on 18th febuary. if they had to continue they needed to inform the resident and also they should update their website letter. so this PCN is not valid

well very long shot. hopefully it helps
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cp8759
post Yesterday, 22:00
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Unless you're an A1 permit holder, I don't see how any of this is relevant to you, sorry.


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