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Bigred247
post Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 15:51
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Hi guys,
I received a PCN in the post from Havering Council in Essex earlier today. It was served because I turned right into Romford town hall off the main road failing to see the 'no right turn' sign.

They have misspelt my last name. Does this carry any weight if I contest? or should I just pay up?


Thanks.

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post Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 15:57
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No but post the PCN havering have difficulty getting them right an we win many because of this


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post Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 16:04
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QUOTE (Bigred247 @ Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 15:51) *
Hi guys,
I received a PCN in the post from Havering Council in Essex earlier today. It was served because I turned right into Romford town hall off the main road failing to see the 'no right turn' sign.

They have misspelt my last name. Does this carry any weight if I contest? or should I just pay up?


Thanks.


They would have obtained your name from the DVLA. You should check your driver's license for spelling. It is your duty to notify DVLA of any errors.
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post Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 16:10
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QUOTE (phantomcrusader @ Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 16:04) *
You should check your driver's license for spelling.

Surely you mean V5C ?


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post Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 16:38
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 16:10) *
QUOTE (phantomcrusader @ Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 16:04) *
You should check your driver's license for spelling.

Surely you mean V5C ?


You are right, that is the main document to check but both should be checked for errors.
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post Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 16:55
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Thanks for the quick responses guys. It seems that the records at DVLA are incorrect so they will update them and send me a new V5.

I'm going to have to take the sucker punch and pay the fine.

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post Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 17:00
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I'm going to have to take the sucker punch and pay the fine.


Before you do so you could post all sides of the PCN here so the experts can check for errors, as long as you do not miss deadlines.
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post Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 17:25
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I have attached the images of the PCN below. Great to get hear some expert feedback ;o)

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1yGHEyt2_C...ZXrDNuqdGvTMDdb
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1X3bpsme1e...ccQFoYNq0hYutVr
https://drive.google.com/open?id=12gskdH7MW...I0V5yNTBynZP21y

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post Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 17:30
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Did you know it was a No Right Turn or is there confusing signage or stupid placement of it ?
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post Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 17:38
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You need to obtain the video and post a link here
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post Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 17:53
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There were a couple of signs but I just didn't notice them.... they were on the left side of the road whilst I was turning right... so i didn't even bother checking.....

this is the first sign
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-88AC4tOW...zdVzAj8JtCsZXsF

and this is where i took the right
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1bnL3R3-c7...4phomU2IWr7zu4d

in fact, the first image above is for entry into another location... so you can ignore this....... the second image is the one where i took the turn.... and you can see the CCTV on the left-hand side also.

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You need to obtain the video and post a link here


I don't have a video but have the photos from the councils website - see below:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1K5i6_aXKb...kHJnpqcLa6RyRmU

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UMLpdbTRw...3uZm6RA8b4bQ0wP
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post Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 18:33
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QUOTE (Bigred247 @ Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 17:25) *
I have attached the images of the PCN below. Great to get hear some expert feedback ;o)

As PMB alluded, it's flawed.


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post Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 18:37
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I don't have a video but have the photos from the councils website - see below:


Instructions for accessing video are on PCN. You should be able to save it to your device and then post on youtube or similar
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The last paragraph of page 2 shortens the date by which you can make representations by two days payment must be made by date of notice but representations need be made by date of service (2 working days after posting) In doing this they also bring forward for the same reason the date by which they may serve a charge certificate

For Havering that is a B- they are improving


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post Sat, 15 Feb 2020 - 10:52
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 18:33) *
QUOTE (Bigred247 @ Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 17:25) *
I have attached the images of the PCN below. Great to get hear some expert feedback ;o)

As PMB alluded, it's flawed.


When you say it is flawed, can you explain a bit further? Do you mean i may have grounds to contest the PCN?

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I don't have a video but have the photos from the councils website - see below:


Instructions for accessing video are on PCN. You should be able to save it to your device and then post on youtube or similar


I did check the www.havering.gov.uk/pcn site again and there is no video. They only have 2 photos which I posted yesterday.

Further, the web code number noted on the second page isn't required (not requested on the website). Instead, it requires the PCN number and vehicle reg.

QUOTE (Incandescent @ Fri, 14 Feb 2020 - 17:30) *
Did you know it was a No Right Turn or is there confusing signage or stupid placement of it ?


Based on the photos of the 'no right turn' sign I posted yesterday, could these be classed as bad placement and be a reason for contesting? I have posted a link to the no right turn again (below) for your reference.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1bnL3R3-c7...4phomU2IWr7zu4d

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I did check the www.havering.gov.uk/pcn site again and there is no video. They only have 2 photos which I posted yesterday.

Further, the web code number noted on the second page isn't required (not requested on the website). Instead, it requires the PCN number and vehicle reg.


You might want to contact Stamfordman by PM (Private Message) - he is the expert on obtaining videos.
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showuser=59924
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QUOTE (John U.K. @ Sat, 15 Feb 2020 - 11:32) *
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I did check the www.havering.gov.uk/pcn site again and there is no video. They only have 2 photos which I posted yesterday.

Further, the web code number noted on the second page isn't required (not requested on the website). Instead, it requires the PCN number and vehicle reg.


You might want to contact Stamfordman by PM (Private Message) - he is the expert on obtaining videos.
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showuser=59924



Brilliant. Thanks. I have sent him a message.

BTW, by obtaining the video, what is the objective here? Am I looking for something in particular in the footage which can be used for challenging the fine?

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BTW, by obtaining the video, what is the objective here? Am I looking for something in particular in the footage which can be used for challenging the fine?


In moving traffic offences, the video is the evidence of the contravention, which it must show.
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post Sat, 15 Feb 2020 - 11:59
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QUOTE (John U.K. @ Sat, 15 Feb 2020 - 11:55) *
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BTW, by obtaining the video, what is the objective here? Am I looking for something in particular in the footage which can be used for challenging the fine?


In moving traffic offences, the video is the evidence of the contravention, which it must show.


So if they can't supply the video or if the video does not show the entire incident, this could be grounds for a successful challenge irrespective of the photographic evidence?

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QUOTE (Bigred247 @ Sat, 15 Feb 2020 - 11:59) *
QUOTE (John U.K. @ Sat, 15 Feb 2020 - 11:55) *
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BTW, by obtaining the video, what is the objective here? Am I looking for something in particular in the footage which can be used for challenging the fine?


In moving traffic offences, the video is the evidence of the contravention, which it must show.


So if they can't supply the video or if the video does not show the entire incident, this could be grounds for a successful challenge irrespective of the photographic evidence?

If they can't supply the video to the adjudicators. Also if the PCN says you can view it at one of their offices, and they can't show it you can use that in your appeal.
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