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hjuk
post Thu, 13 Feb 2020 - 11:35
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I've just been given a ticket for parking in a s suspended parking bay.

I came beck from three weeks away just two days ago. Last night as I was pulling up outside my house I noticed that parking was suspended for ten houses on my side starting this morning. So I moved to the other side and parked.

This morning my neighbour texted me to tell me that I needed to move my car - too late however to prevent me getting a parking ticket. Apparently parking has also been suspended on the other side. However, whilst the notices are easy to see on my side, they are not so on the other side. There are two notices about 50m apart. One has slipped down the lamp post and was hidden by a parked car. The other was far enough up the road, I just didn't notice it. The signs on each side only referenced the suspension on the sid eon which they were displayed.

Do I have any grounds for appeal?
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post Thu, 13 Feb 2020 - 12:49
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Grounds for appeal wouls be inadequate signage on the sign you parked. You saw the signs on your side, but not on the other side. You need to give some sort of indication of where the signs were on both sides.

Post up the PCN so we can look for fatal errors of content. Post any photos if you have them, and also the councils ones if they are available
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Mad Mick V
post Thu, 13 Feb 2020 - 17:26
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OP-----need to get a photo of the suspension sign OR any Notices (A4 sheets in plastic, cable tied to lamp posts) before they are removed.

You also need to get a photo of the sign distance if possible --50m seems weird.

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post Yesterday, 00:28
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QUOTE (hjuk @ Thu, 13 Feb 2020 - 11:35) *
Do I have any grounds for appeal?

Who knows?

Show us the PCN, the CEO's photos, any photos you've taken yourself, and a link to the location on google street view.


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hjuk
post Yesterday, 13:03
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Thank you for the replies so far. Much appreciated. I'm attaching a map and some photos.



The map shows the seven suspension signs. The top of the map is north. The points on the north side of the road are 1 to 3, reading left to right. Those on the south side of the road are 4 to 7, again reading left to right. The parking suspension applied pretty much exactly between Points 1 ad 3 on the north side and points 4 and 7 on the south side.

Using the Google Maps 'Measure Distance' facility, the distance between signs 2 and 3 is 58m. I was parked pretty much exactly midway between suspension signs 2 and 3.

No notices were posted through residents doors.

My photos are added below. None are available from the parking enforcement action..


Photo 1: North side notices sample


Photo 2: South side notices sample


Photo 3: Notices 1 & 2


Photo 4: Notices 2 & 3


Photo 5: Towards Notice 3


Photo 6: Notice 3 concealed by vehicle


Photo 7: Notices 5 and (in the distance 7)

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The officer's photos are at https://ibb.co/album/gtOHka

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post Yesterday, 16:23
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Your map hasn't uploaded, use an external site like imgur.com or imgbb.com or make a folder on google driver or dropbox and stick everything in there. Also you need to show us the council's photos, which you'll find on the council website. Finally re-post the PCN with all the details visible except the number plate.


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post Yesterday, 16:48
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sat, 15 Feb 2020 - 16:23) *
Your map hasn't uploaded, use an external site like imgur.com or imgbb.com or make a folder on google driver or dropbox and stick everything in there. Also you need to show us the council's photos, which you'll find on the council website. Finally re-post the PCN with all the details visible except the number plate.


Thanks for your advice. Is that better?
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hjuk
post Yesterday, 16:59
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Link to officer's photos is https://ibb.co/album/gtOHka
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post Yesterday, 18:02
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Can you add the location of your car to the map?


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hjuk
post Yesterday, 22:42
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As I said above, it was almost exactly half-way between points 2 and 3 on the north side of the road - pretty much banh opposite point 6.

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post Today, 12:12
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The PCN states 'o/s no. 15'.

OP, IMO the issue is clear:

You parked in a suspended area;
The authority placed suspension signs on the only available posts spanning this area;
The signs are clear;
Could you convince an adj that you were unaware of the suspension because the location and number of signs was insufficient?
Should you risk the discount by even taking matters this far?

Having looked at GSV, my initial thoughts are that you would lose at adj - it's a foregone conclusion that the authority would reject your reps - because they placed signs on the only posts available.

Now, if you could establish that the signs only went up that day and that therefore despite no doubt walking and/or driving along this road regularly you were unaware of the forthcoming suspension, then you might have a remote possibility of success.

This is not a matter of law, this is simple and requires the suspension to be conveyed clearly and correctly: it is a matter of what an adj would find as facts and if it emerged that the signs were erected perhaps 7 days beforehand then IMO they would be bound to conclude that the suspension was conveyed as required and reject any appeal.
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