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Yellow Line - poor signage - challenge rejected
Trif
post Wed, 15 Jan 2020 - 22:49
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Had a notice of rejection of challenge from council.
My question is.. is there any point in taking it to appeal?

My argument was:

Parked on single yellow line because
1. there were cars parked the whole length of the road (with no tickets)
2. the signs I could see clearly stated 2 hours parking allowed

Came out of cafe to PCN on windscreen.
Looked at the other cars. No tickets. ??
No blue badges, no-one loading.

I found a little yellow sign high on a telegraph pole, slightly faded and twisted. The signs I had originally read were for the other side of the road.

I know yellow lines are restricted
I know number 1 above means nothing, but because I read the signs and saw all the cars parked there, it seemed obvious that it was OK to park there for 2 hours (particularly if one is a bit divvy for various reasons). In my defense, it was also pouring with rain.

So, the only possible legal argument could be the positioning of the sign (one would have to be standing in the road to read it) and the size of the lettering - for busy roads the TRGDS state bigger lettering should be used).

What say you? Pointless and pay the smaller amount of £45?

Can attach pics if its not a clear cut "don't be silly".

Many thanks
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stamfordman
post Thu, 16 Jan 2020 - 09:49
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We can't help unless you post council pics, google street view and PCN.

Put pics on https://imgbb.com or such like.

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Trif
post Thu, 16 Jan 2020 - 13:44
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Hope I've done this right..

It wouldn't let me insert them as images. mellow.gif

Thanks for reading.



PCN

Nearest Sign

Sign across St

Council Sign Pic

Rejection

Spencer Rd on google


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stamfordman
post Thu, 16 Jan 2020 - 14:15
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We don't see many from Northern Ireland. I would say there doesn't seem to be much hope here as despite the twisted sign there is another and the yellow line looks in good condition. What is time on PCN?








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Trif
post Thu, 16 Jan 2020 - 16:09
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The weird thing about it was the fact that the whole street was lined with cars. No others had tickets on them when we came out (and they were there when we went in). Maybe the parking attendant doesn't like tourists from southern Ireland.. I thought the tension between the two sides had ended.

I intend to ask the question thru FOI - numbers of tickets issued to NI residents. Hmm.

Was there again the other day - exactly the same, cars the length of the street on the restricted side.

Anyway, thanks very very much for your response Stamfordman. smile.gif
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post Fri, 17 Jan 2020 - 11:53
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Maybe the parking attendant doesn't like tourists from southern Ireland.

No such place. There is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Eire, The Republic of Ireland, a sovereign state of the UN it its own right!

You may as well be from Estonia unless there are specific bi-lateral agreements between the UK and the Republic.

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cp8759
post Sat, 18 Jan 2020 - 19:29
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Show us all the enforcement officer's photos, just redact your number plate, nothing else. The sign looks inadequate but we don't know enough to confirm this.

Also, show us exactly what you sent, and the DfI's response in full, not just a tiny snippet, just cover up your name and address and leave everything else visible.

And post the back of the PCN as well. This is all evidence that would potentially be used against you at the Northern Ireland Traffic Penalty Tribunal so we can't give you any meaningful advice without seeing this information. The DfI has all of this already so there's nothing to be gained from not showing us.

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I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law.
No, I am not a lawyer.
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