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Multiple PCN due to old address on v5
Blaze1981
post Wed, 4 Dec 2019 - 21:07
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Dear experts, I am looking for help/guidance from experienced people! will try to keep it short! thanks a lot!!!
A colleague transferred from China to UK last year and while he was in company accommodation he bought a car and registered it at the temporary accommodation. He then went back to China due to personal issues and back again to UK after few months, put up again in temp accommodation. Once he moved to perm accommodation he never changed the address on the v5!! According to him it didn’t even cross his mind as apart from the car reg doc all other mail was coming to office.
now several months later he has been handed a big pile of letters from someone staying at the same temp accommodation. This includes correspondence on 3 PCN's: 1x TFL congestion zone, 1 x local council parking overstay and 1x private parking overstay. As there was no response to any of the letters;
TFL and Local council have proceeded to Bailiffs orders amounting to £550 each. with Bailiffs even attempting at the address given on v5.
private parking has gone to county court amounting to £380.
yes, i know he should have changed address on v5 but thats in the past now and cannot be undone.
just looking for some advise if there is any chance that he can pay original or even some excess on the original PCN's or there is no way out now? he cannot fork out £1480 even if he wanted to.
Thank you for any kind advise on how to proceed!
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post Wed, 4 Dec 2019 - 22:10
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Your post seems to intimate that he is a Chinese national and maybe not up-to-speed on the nature of the English civil law and the need to keep a vehicle registration details up-to-date.

The only avenue open to him is to submit a free Out-of-Time Witness Statement/Statutory Declaration. Whilst free, this can, and will be, opposed by the enforcing bodies at which point it is rejected by TEC (Traffic Enforcement Cntrer). A review by a County Court judge can then be requested. This costs £100 per PCN at issue, and is normally non-refundable.

His best bet may be to contact : -

www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk.

Sheila who runs this site is very much up-to-speed on the various issues, and can, for a small fee prepare any statements for submission. The bailiff charges can only get bigger. Is he aware that the bailiffs will likely clamp or seize his car ? Time is not on his side, so he needs to speedily make a decision, (pay-up, or submitOOTs). An OOT gets the bailiffs temporarily off his back but they will soon be back if the OOTs are refused.
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Neil B
post Wed, 4 Dec 2019 - 22:20
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QUOTE (Blaze1981 @ Wed, 4 Dec 2019 - 21:07) *
1x TFL congestion zone, 1 x local council parking overstay

Let's have all the relevant dates please and show the bailiff notices.

You need the private ticket forum for the other.


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Blaze1981
post Thu, 5 Dec 2019 - 08:47
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Thanks for the replies. I'll contact Sheila to see if anything can be done.
The pcns are from May with letters going all the way upto end of Nov which are from the bailiffs and one staying that they visited the address.
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post Thu, 5 Dec 2019 - 12:59
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QUOTE (Blaze1981 @ Thu, 5 Dec 2019 - 08:47) *
Thanks for the replies. I'll contact Sheila to see if anything can be done.
The pcns are from May with letters going all the way upto end of Nov which are from the bailiffs and one staying that they visited the address.

You will only get her attention if you have all the relevant dates and details ready:
Which is why I asked for them.

@forum. As I've said before, that is a message from Sheila herself.


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post Thu, 5 Dec 2019 - 16:37
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https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/bailiff-regulations/taking-control-of-goods-fees-regulations-2014

To recap:
No bailiff knows of your colleague's current address, only the V5C address?
KEEP IT THIS WAY.
Tell whoever handed over the letters to keep shtum. They're under no obligation to pass info to the baillfs.
Does your colleague still have any of the vehicles which are the subject of any of the penalties?

The fees for council penalties cannot increase beyond £310 in any event, anyway the warrants are incorrectly made out.

Damage limitation is the name of the game, and this is helped by controlling information - the good old Need to Know principle.

Armed with the above, catalogue both PCNs (not the private one, this is for the other forum):

PCN date of issue; alleged contravention; vehicle reg (just use A, B);
NTO dates of issue per PCN;
Charge certificates as above;
Orders for Recovery;
Bailiff notices and sums demanded;
Latest dates for payment.

If not all to same address then pl advise.
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