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Will Owen
post Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 16:14
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Hi,

I have just been notified (on the 29/11/19) of a Notice of Enforcement letter that had been sent to an old address of mine. I moved to my current address in February this year. The PCN is for being in a bus lane on 19/03/19. The warrant was issued on 26/11/19. The outstanding amount is now £173. I have read the advice here, http://www.davidmarq.com/bama/Court%20Offi...version%201.pdf .

I was wondering if there was any grounds to get this fine reduced or reset back to the original amount?

Thanks for any advice or help everyone!

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QUOTE (Will Owen @ Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 16:14) *
Hi,

I have just been notified (on the 29/11/19) of a Notice of Enforcement letter that had been sent to an old address of mine. I moved to my current address in February this year. The PCN is for being in a bus lane on 19/03/19. The warrant was issued on 26/11/19. The outstanding amount is now £173. I have read the advice here, http://www.davidmarq.com/bama/Court%20Offi...version%201.pdf .

I appreciate the importance of updating this address but was wondering if there was any grounds to get this fine reduced or reset back to the original amount?

Thanks for any advice or help everyone!


Just another thing, the letter was addressed to "Liverpool Volkswagen" without my name anywhere on the letter...

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Neil B
post Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 16:44
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A leased vehicle?

But you said you hold the V5C ? With your name and address on it?


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post Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 16:46
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So it's a lease-hire car?

How were you notified of this notice, and are any of the earlier letters available?
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Will Owen
post Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 17:07
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No, it's not a lease car. It was purchased by me from Liverpool Volkswagen. My name is on the VC5. I only saw this letter by chance when scrolling through Facebook and someone had posted in a local group asking if anyone used to live at his address and owns a VW...crazy coincidence I know...
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post Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 17:17
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Show us the notice please.


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post Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 17:25
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 17:17) *
Show us the notice please.


Excuse the "WHAT" the current tenant only had this photo atm, getting a clearer photo of both sides this evening.
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post Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 17:33
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This is awkward.
Shame it's Friday. I'd start by phoning TEC Monday and asking the name on the warrant.

Just to clarify; do you live in the South West now?


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post Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 17:39
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 17:33) *
This is awkward.
Shame it's Friday. I'd start by phoning TEC Monday and asking the name on the warrant.

Just to clarify; do you live in the South West now?


Yes, very strange.

I do, yes.
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Theoretically, TEC can't even talk to you

and you can't file an OOT either.

When did you buy it?


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post Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 18:48
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 17:45) *
Theoretically, TEC can't even talk to you

and you can't file an OOT either.

When did you buy it?


September 2017...

Bit of further info too, I did send off the VC5 for an address change in May then subsequently have been travelling round Europe. I got back 3 weeks ago. I have only just realised that the updated VC5 never got returned and the original must therefore have been lost in the post (either during transit or at the DVLA). The online 'date last VC5 issued' states July 2018 and is therefore still down as my old address. I will phone the DVLA tomorrow and ask for a replacement VC5 (and hope to update the address over the phone too). I know this doesn't change the fact that the old address is currently on the VC5 but thought I'd let you know the full details.

Thanks again!

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QUOTE (Will Owen @ Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 18:48) *
Thanks again!

Appreciated but I don't think I've been a great deal of help so far. This is an odd one: There seems no
reason the dealer is the party being pursued and that really does hinder you.

Hopefully TEC will shed some light Monday. 0300 123 1059

IF they'll talk to you,you need >

- When debt registered with them?

- Against who?

- At what address?

- Current name and address on the warrant?

Although TEC are theoretically neutral in the process, I wouldn't be in a hurry to volunteer your
current address.

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I'll try and talk to an expert friend of this forum about this, over the weekend.

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Do you have the rest of the notice yet because there will be a deadline on it?


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Any info from DVLA?
QUOTE (Will Owen @ Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 18:48) *
I did send off the VC5 for an address change in May then subsequently have been travelling round Europe. I got back 3 weeks ago. I have only just realised that the updated VC5 never got returned

Which makes me wonder if it ever had your name on it?

Another mystery is, as the VW dealer are being pursued, how has the NoE been served to your (former) address.

Check with the dealer what they know about this; earlier notices received from Plymouth, etc ?


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QUOTE (Neil B @ Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 20:16) *
Appreciated but I don't think I've been a great deal of help so far. This is an odd one: There seems no
reason the dealer is the party being pursued and that really does hinder you.

I don't think it hinders at all, I think it's a great help. Someone who isn't the OP may or may not be liable to pay an OfR. With the best will in the world, who cares? The OfR cannot be re-issued to the OP, it's far too late for any PCN or NtO to be issued, so it's not clear to me that the OP needs to do a thing.

Even if, for arguments sake, bailiffs turn up at his new address looking for Liverpool Volkswagen (chances of which I rate between zero and nil), all he needs to do is say "Sorry mate, Liverpool Volkswagen ain't here, see ya".


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sat, 30 Nov 2019 - 16:41) *
I don't think it hinders at all, I think it's a great help.

Yes, maybe.
I tend to automatically prep for OOT whereas, here, he doesn't need one at all --- with the caveat 'so far'.

That's provided there hasn't been a PCN in his name. Granted it looks unlikely but none of this case makes
much sense yet.

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it's far too late for any PCN to be issued,

That's not so.
There is a scenario that would allow it ---- but I won't speculate until we know more.


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QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 30 Nov 2019 - 14:12) *
Any info from DVLA?
QUOTE (Will Owen @ Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 18:48) *
I did send off the VC5 for an address change in May then subsequently have been travelling round Europe. I got back 3 weeks ago. I have only just realised that the updated VC5 never got returned

Which makes me wonder if it ever had your name on it?

Another mystery is, as the VW dealer are being pursued, how has the NoE been served to your (former) address.

Check with the dealer what they know about this; earlier notices received from Plymouth, etc ?



Right. So the DVLA have confirmed that the address name is supposedly Liverpool Volkswagen. I have therefore sent off for a new V5C with change of name and address. This is very odd as,

1. I can't believe that name wasn't changed when purchased from the VW dealership.
2. That neither me or my girlfriend noticed that the car wasn't in my name on the V5C previously...There's no way to check this unfortunately as the V5C must've been lost in the post or at the DVLA end (they have no record of it so advised me to fill out for a new V5C)

Plym City Council will not speak to me due to 'Data Protection Act', presumably because the PCN isn't under my name...

I can phone the VW dealership and ask what they know of it?

Cheers

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QUOTE (Will Owen @ Mon, 2 Dec 2019 - 12:17) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 30 Nov 2019 - 14:12) *
Any info from DVLA?
QUOTE (Will Owen @ Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 18:48) *
I did send off the VC5 for an address change in May then subsequently have been travelling round Europe. I got back 3 weeks ago. I have only just realised that the updated VC5 never got returned

Which makes me wonder if it ever had your name on it?

Another mystery is, as the VW dealer are being pursued, how has the NoE been served to your (former) address.

Check with the dealer what they know about this; earlier notices received from Plymouth, etc ?



Right. So the DVLA have confirmed that the address name is supposedly Liverpool Volkswagen.

Clarify please. Do you mean VW as the name and your old address?


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post Mon, 2 Dec 2019 - 13:22
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Mon, 2 Dec 2019 - 13:13) *
QUOTE (Will Owen @ Mon, 2 Dec 2019 - 12:17) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 30 Nov 2019 - 14:12) *
Any info from DVLA?
QUOTE (Will Owen @ Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 18:48) *
I did send off the VC5 for an address change in May then subsequently have been travelling round Europe. I got back 3 weeks ago. I have only just realised that the updated VC5 never got returned

Which makes me wonder if it ever had your name on it?

Another mystery is, as the VW dealer are being pursued, how has the NoE been served to your (former) address.

Check with the dealer what they know about this; earlier notices received from Plymouth, etc ?



Right. So the DVLA have confirmed that the address name is supposedly Liverpool Volkswagen.

Clarify please. Do you mean VW as the name and your old address?


Yes. Name on the address is VW, the property address is my old flat in Liverpool.
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post Mon, 2 Dec 2019 - 13:25
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So all previous notices went there too.

At the mo I agree with cp8759; you don't have a problem.

More in a mo.


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QUOTE (Neil B @ Mon, 2 Dec 2019 - 13:25) *
So all previous notices went there too.

At the mo I agree with cp8759; you don't have a problem.

More in a mo.


I presume so yes. Although, the only thing i've seen is the Enforcement Notice which was served the address previous to the one on the DVLA files...no idea how or why they sent it to that address. I didn't even own the car while at that address. Maybe they served most letters to the address on the DVLA files then as they had no response sent an enforcement notice to the address before that one...? Who knows...
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