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CAMDEN CPZ PCN - Parked at wrong end of road
markie
post Sat, 9 Nov 2019 - 18:57
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Hi Guys,

Wonder if I could get your excellent help with a PCN Camden Council have kindly gifted me with.

I popped to Camden Town in the car today due to the rain which was a new experience as I usually walk.
I turned into Plender Street which is covered by 2 different CPZ's - a Mon-Fri one and a Mon-Fri & Sat one.
Unfortunately I had a lapse of concentration to check the signage after I had stopped in an empty space on the edge of the parking bay where I turned in.
After half an hour I found out I was at the wrong end of the street in the 'Mon-Fri & Sat' (upto 5:30PM) CPZ sad.gif

Please could you have a look at my PCN scans for any leads;

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BACK


Is the 3 minute observation time ok?


If everything is in order what are the best grounds for lodging a chance representation anyway?

Much appreciated and keep up the good work!

Mark

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post Sat, 9 Nov 2019 - 20:32
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Just here on the right? May be something in confusing signs. Post the councils's pics.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5366979,-0....3312!8i6656
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cp8759
post Sat, 9 Nov 2019 - 21:43
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Camden's CPZ signs apply to single yellow lines, not parking bays. Bays have their own signs. Post up the council photos so we know what we're dealing with.


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post Sat, 9 Nov 2019 - 22:14
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As cp8759 hints at, the PCN is not related to the CPZs, but to your parking in a parking bay without either displaying a permit, or a parking ticket issued by a ticket machine for that bay. (this also covers PbP parking).

You say yourself you nipped into a bay; did you bother reading the sign to see what the bay requirements are.
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markie
post Sun, 10 Nov 2019 - 15:22
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Thank you all for your replies.

QUOTE (stamfordman @ Sat, 9 Nov 2019 - 20:32) *
Just here on the right? May be something in confusing signs. Post the councils's pics.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5366979,-0....3312!8i6656

If it was where the orange van is then it could be confusing signs.
That stretch of road but the other end; https://goo.gl/maps/y2bR2XNaiAkgjWGP6 (where the white SAAB is parked)

I usually drive down Camden Street then turn left into Plender Street which is CPZ (CA-G/F) Mon-Fri 8:30am-6:30pm.
Yesterday I lapsed and drove down Bayham Street (next road parallel to Camden Street) and turned into Plender Street, spotted the empty space, parked and dashed off as it was raining.
Unfortunately this half of the street is CPZ (CA-F) Mon-Fri 8:30am-6:30pm & Sat-Sun 09:30am-5:30pm.


QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sat, 9 Nov 2019 - 21:43) *
Camden's CPZ signs apply to single yellow lines, not parking bays. Bays have their own signs. Post up the council photos so we know what we're dealing with.

Council Photos;




QUOTE (Incandescent @ Sat, 9 Nov 2019 - 22:14) *
As cp8759 hints at, the PCN is not related to the CPZs, but to your parking in a parking bay without either displaying a permit, or a parking ticket issued by a ticket machine for that bay. (this also covers PbP parking).

You say yourself you nipped into a bay; did you bother reading the sign to see what the bay requirements are.

Unfortunately not due to a serious brain malfunction icon_redface.gif and not enjoying the rain.
I always double check parking restrictions on signs or ticket machines but yesterday I lapsed as I got out of the car thinking I'm in the Mon-Fri part of Plender Street - when I wasn't due to not driving down the right 'main road' - see above.

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TFL 0 - 1 Markie76 (on aggregate uncontested PCNs 2 -1 grrr!)


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post Sun, 10 Nov 2019 - 16:31
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Doesn't look you have anything here then. What was reason for parking? Discount may be best bet or a grovel to ask for discretion but it's unlikely to succeed.

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markie
post Sun, 10 Nov 2019 - 16:58
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Sun, 10 Nov 2019 - 16:31) *
Doesn't look you have anything here then. What was reason for parking? Discount may be best bet or a grovel to ask for discretion but it's unlikely to succeed.

Going to the bank, which turned out to be closed then grocery shopping.


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LB Islington 0 - 1 Markie76
LB Camden 0 - 2 Markie76
TFL 0 - 1 Markie76 (on aggregate uncontested PCNs 2 -1 grrr!)


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cp8759
post Sun, 10 Nov 2019 - 19:17
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Your options are a grovelling plea for discretion or pay the discount.


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