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dansteiner
post Fri, 12 Jul 2019 - 20:31
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Hello all,I received a PCN for parking in a loading bay from Manchester City Council.My online appeal failed in which I listed the feint loading bay markings and not to the required 50 mm minimum but having now checked on here that line of attack is no longer valid.
Just checking on a technicality but according to Manchester CC PCN guidelines in the forum’s stickies section Parking Code 23 states that quote” Images must show (vehicle) in relation to timeplate & vehicle class markings.”
My pictures show the timeplate separately and the car in the Loading Bay but no car and timeplate together.Have I got grounds to stick it out and win?Thanks for reading.

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Starworshipper12
post Fri, 12 Jul 2019 - 20:34
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Best start by posting both sides of the PCN, the council photos and a GSV.
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dansteiner
post Sat, 13 Jul 2019 - 16:52
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Pics now added,sorry about that,just realised they needed to be compressed!
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PASTMYBEST
post Sat, 13 Jul 2019 - 16:57
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4283963,-...3312!8i6656


I think you have a case that the signage was unclear due to faded road markings and the obscured sign but it is not a dead cert


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post Sat, 13 Jul 2019 - 21:19
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Sat, 13 Jul 2019 - 17:57) *
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4283963,-...3312!8i6656


I think you have a case that the signage was unclear due to faded road markings and the obscured sign but it is not a dead cert

I have to say I don't think the sign is obscured as it might be if it were behind thick foliage, so definitely not a dead cert. In addition, whilst the text on the road is worn, the bay is clear thus making it the motorist's duty to look for a sign.
The main point, though, is that an appeal based on this will invariably have to go to adjudication with the full PCN penalty in-play. So, OP, are you up for the double-or-quits gamble on something with poor odds ?
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dansteiner
post Sun, 14 Jul 2019 - 10:48
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Thanks for replies,appreciated.I don’t think I can win with feint road markings and although the timeplate sign is pretty much invisible next to that porch it is there.
I have pictured the council ticket guidelines which state the car and sign have to be pictured together and my argument is they aren’t,but separately. Does anyone think I can win with this technicality,thanks for looking.
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post Sun, 14 Jul 2019 - 18:38
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Show us all the council pictures, put them on imgur.com as you won't have enough space on here. If the sign was not visible from the position where you parked, you have an argument re: the signage.

Also have a read of Mary Harding v Royal Borough of Kingston Upon Thames (2160271291, 26 July 2016) here: http://bit.ly/2E2TvXY


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dansteiner
post Sun, 14 Jul 2019 - 19:15
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Thankyou very much cp,have uploaded all council pictures on imgur,under the name dansteiner,vw Golf tai estate,tag;Manchester pcn.
That case is very interesting,thanks
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post Sun, 14 Jul 2019 - 19:39
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QUOTE (dansteiner @ Sun, 14 Jul 2019 - 20:15) *
Thankyou very much cp,have uploaded all council pictures on imgur,under the name dansteiner,vw Golf tai estate,tag;Manchester pcn.

Just give us a link, none of us have time to go looking


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