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Drove To France For Day - Received Speeding Fine
John121
post Thu, 11 Apr 2019 - 11:03
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Hey guys,
My uncle drove to France for a day and got the below ticket which came through recently to his home address for speeding. He was apparently doing 121km/h in a 110km/h restricted speeding area.

Please check PCN attached below and advise if its worth paying this or best way to go about it?

If we do not pay this what are the implications?

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post Thu, 11 Apr 2019 - 13:39
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First you need to use the right terminology to help reduce errors, it’s clearly not a PCN (and you wouldn’t get one in the UK for speeding either), best not to use distinct terms unless you know what they mean.

Does he visit France often, does he use that car when he does?


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post Thu, 11 Apr 2019 - 13:46
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Apologies guys for the mishap.

He visits France maybe once a year or twice a year at the most and uses the same car when he does.
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post Thu, 11 Apr 2019 - 14:05
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In that case I would pay it
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post Thu, 11 Apr 2019 - 15:23
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If he didnt visit France again using the car then is it ok to ignore this?

Also if he didnt pay this and visited France by Ferry/Train without taking his car would he as a individual be liable or could he be prosecuted?
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post Thu, 11 Apr 2019 - 17:14
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Could he, of course, would he be detected and detained, much less likely than if he’s in a car displaying plates connected to an offence and readily identifiable via ANPR.


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Excellent - thanks for your help. I shall pass the information on...
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I cannot see clearly what he was sent but it seems that France has a fixed-penalty scheme for lesser speeding offences (I don't know how endorsements work generally there, but there aren't any for foreign drivers).

And like us they have a reduced amount you can pay to close the case quickly, which appears to be 45 Euros, and is probably worth paying.
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Yes think that will be the best option. Even though he will be selling his current car, but he still wants to go France in the future (with another vehicle) so to avoid any mishaps in future I'll advise him to pay it off.
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It seems that France (and Germany) is now complying with the requirement to send the Avis de Contravention (PCN) in English as required. This begs the question 'why'. Are they hoping most will pay? Will they instigate procedures to recover the debt in the UK? Will they start more intensive checks at borders and at random vehicle checks? Their processing system is a national database at Rennes with ghost records for offenders.
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QUOTE (John121 @ Thu, 11 Apr 2019 - 11:03) *
Hey guys,
My uncle drove to France for a day and got the below ticket which came through recently to his home address for speeding. He was apparently doing 121km/h in a 110km/h restricted speeding area.

Please check PCN attached below and advise if its worth paying this or best way to go about it?

If we do not pay this what are the implications?

Many Thanks,


Day trip to Amiens?

This is the camera preceeded by a very large warning sign several hundred metres in advance
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post Mon, 15 Apr 2019 - 08:17
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This is the camera preceeded by a very large warning sign several hundred metres in advance

But illegal to have speed camera locations on your satnav
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post Mon, 15 Apr 2019 - 10:21
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Mon, 15 Apr 2019 - 09:17) *
This is the camera preceeded by a very large warning sign several hundred metres in advance

But illegal to have speed camera locations on your satnav

Speed camera locations are on Google Maps, and Google Maps is accesible by any data-roaming smartphone. Could be a problem for a lot of people...

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post Mon, 15 Apr 2019 - 11:03
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Google confirmed the speed camera locations will be displayed for users in the UK, US, Australia, Russia, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, India and Indonesia, while speed limits will be available for drivers in the UK, US and Denmark.

France bans drivers from carrying devices capable of detecting speed cameras, including sat navs and GPS systems, with the threat of fines up to €1,500.
Instead, TomTom satnavs alert drivers they are entering ‘Danger Zones,’ rather than pointing out specific cameras.

Drivers who use a radar detector in Germany can be given a fine for doing so, and in 2015 there was a case in Lower Saxony where a driver was fined for using a dedicated Speed Camera app. However, it is not clear to what extent this will be applied in other regions of Germany or if the police intend to enforce further prosecutions and fines.

Although TomTom provides a Speed Cameras service in Germany, users must decide themselves if they want to use it. If a user decides not to use the service in their area, they must switch off the speed camera warnings on their device.
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post Mon, 15 Apr 2019 - 15:01
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Mon, 15 Apr 2019 - 08:17) *
This is the camera preceeded by a very large warning sign several hundred metres in advance

But illegal to have speed camera locations on your satnav


True but virtually impossible for the authorities to enforce as there is no right to examine a satnav without a magistrate's order.

The French are very efficient at detecting speed offences with mobile cameras or even 'mobile-mobile' cameras mounted in cars so satnavs with warnings are not high on the list of priorities.
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QUOTE (baroudeur @ Sat, 13 Apr 2019 - 20:55) *
It seems that France (and Germany) is now complying with the requirement to send the Avis de Contravention (PCN) in English as required. This begs the question 'why'. Are they hoping most will pay? Will they instigate procedures to recover the debt in the UK? Will they start more intensive checks at borders and at random vehicle checks? Their processing system is a national database at Rennes with ghost records for offenders.

Even if only one third pay up, the return on investment is excellent. It only costs a few euro cents to send the letter out in the post...


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