Labour MP accused of PCOJ, Threads merged |
Labour MP accused of PCOJ, Threads merged |
Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 18:34
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And another one
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/0...course-justice/ A Labour whip and ally of Jeremy Corbyn has been charged with perverting the course of justice after allegations that she tried to give away speeding points a month after her election. Fiona Onasanya, the Labour MP for Peterborough, appeared at Westminster magistrates court two weeks ago alongside her brother, Festus. The former solicitor kept news of her arrest and charge secret while serving as a Labour whip. She is due back in court next month. Solicitors and MP's seem to have issues with speeding tickets, this one is both !!! |
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Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 18:34
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Tue, 29 Jan 2019 - 16:45
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Tue, 29 Jan 2019 - 16:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,423 Joined: 15 Apr 2009 From: Winnersh, UK Member No.: 27,840 |
indeed - verly light sentence and absolutely the worst case scenario for local politics because I suspect that she will not resign as MP etc
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Tue, 29 Jan 2019 - 16:58
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The local paper has published the full sentencing remarks. It seems her sob story was effective.
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Tue, 29 Jan 2019 - 17:00
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
I wonder how the hook, fishing line and sinker tasted......
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Tue, 29 Jan 2019 - 19:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,140 Joined: 19 Jun 2004 From: Surrey Member No.: 1,326 |
Still think she should have gone for the SAC.
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Tue, 29 Jan 2019 - 19:28
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The local paper has published the full sentencing remarks. It seems her sob story was effective. Indeed. Perhaps Kate Osamor wrote to the judge requesting leniency, whilst pretending not to be aware of the case, naturally. |
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Tue, 29 Jan 2019 - 20:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,898 Joined: 15 Dec 2007 From: South of John O'Groats, north of Cape Town. Member No.: 16,066 |
Re: Post #168
BBC have just stated in today's report that she intends to appeal against her conviction. Is this just old news or can she do this now? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambr...eshire-47040912 This post has been edited by cabbyman: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 - 20:13 -------------------- Cabbyman 11 PPCs 0
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Tue, 29 Jan 2019 - 21:40
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Re: Post #168 BBC have just stated in today's report that she intends to appeal against her conviction. Is this just old news or can she do this now? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambr...eshire-47040912 AFAIK providing she hasn't missed the deadlines she can. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Tue, 29 Jan 2019 - 21:55
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It'll be interesting to hear what the costs orders are.
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Wed, 30 Jan 2019 - 06:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Old news, she appealed in time and it was first reported shortly after, link up thread as I recall.
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Wed, 30 Jan 2019 - 12:29
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Old news, she appealed in time and it was first reported shortly after, link up thread as I recall. Still no news of what her grounds are though. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Wed, 30 Jan 2019 - 15:35
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I'm still not happy with 3 months even having read through the Judge's words.
Even if we accept, as he did, that the initial acts were not deliberate, there came a point and he detailed when he thought that point was in November, when she made a deliberate decision to continue with the errors and actively deny any wrongdoing by trying to carry on with misleading the court. She is a qualified solicitor and as an MP holds a position of trust, that alone should IMO carry weight within sentencing deliberations. |
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Wed, 30 Jan 2019 - 15:54
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
I agree.
As a legal point though I'm interested in understanding this, the Judge seems to have made a finding of fact by themselves on when and where she had PCOJ and where she had not, clearly the bald Jury verdict doesn't tell you which facts they decided on and which they did not, in this case the Jury may well have a very different finding to the Judges and it would be very salient to the sentencing, should we have a system like the US where the Jury recommend a punishment with their reasonings? The Jury may have accepted she had been complicit in the original naming of the wrong person (which she blamed on brother Fester) and had that been used in sentencing she'd have been away for a year plus, jet the judge decided on the contrary and gave just 3 months. This post has been edited by The Rookie: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 - 15:55 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Wed, 30 Jan 2019 - 18:38
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??? Yet, Huhne plead Guilty, ( albeit, at a late date,... ) and received 8 months?? As a solicitor, who should know better, and, having swapped her story two or three times,.. it seems a very light sentence,.. indeed, had she plead 'Guilty' & got the discount, she wouldn't hardly have time to 'book in'... I suspect, someone will appeal/query the sentence.....
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Wed, 30 Jan 2019 - 18:49
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As a legal point though I'm interested in understanding this, the Judge seems to have made a finding of fact by themselves on when and where she had PCOJ and where she had not The prosecution might have been put on the basis that she only had intent from a certain point in time. If that was the case then the judge could only have sentenced on that basis. QUOTE should we have a system like the US where the Jury recommend a punishment with their reasonings? No. You’d pretty much have to repeal most of the sentencing legislation, that juries simply are in no position to apply. ??? Yet, Huhne plead Guilty, ( albeit, at a late date,... ) and received 8 months?? As a solicitor, who should know better, and, having swapped her story two or three times,.. it seems a very light sentence,.. indeed, had she plead 'Guilty' & got the discount, she wouldn't hardly have time to 'book in'... I suspect, someone will appeal/query the sentence..... She probably had significant personal mitigation. -------------------- Moderator
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Wed, 30 Jan 2019 - 22:37
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She probably had significant personal mitigation. Apparently so, in the view of The Honourable Mr Justice Stuart Smith anyway: QUOTE What takes your case out of the ordinary is your personal mitigation. I accept without reservation that this offence is totally out of character; and, as I have made clear, that it my have included an element of misplaced loyalty to your brother once you realised what had happened. You have no previous convictions. By your own efforts and personal qualities you have risen to a great height, which I am satisfied you intended to use not so much for personal advancement as for the cause of social justice which first persuaded you to go into politics. The character witnesses speak eloquently of your qualities and your exemplary character. You quickly made your mark as an able Member of Parliament and Parliamentarian and you have become a role model for many young black women who have been inspired by your attitude and achievements. I pay particular attention to the evidence of the person who was your school friend, now a barrister, who speaks of your ability to light up the room with your personality and who adds that even when at school you could sometimes be a little naïve and very trusting. QUOTE In any normal circumstances it would be incredible that you would not have realised that the NIP you received some nine days later related to a time when you were driving. But the evidence at trial showed that these were by no means normal circumstances for you. You had been elected to Parliament as the Member for Peterborough on 8 June 2017 and had first gone to Westminster on 12 June. Initially you had no staff, with your first member of staff being recruited at the end of June. You had no constituency office in Peterborough and were initially hot-desking or squatting on benches in the corridors at Westminster. Within four weeks you were appointed to the select committee for housing. You had to install additional security at home by the first week or so of July and were completely swamped by emails and post. You had no proper diary system in place. On all of the evidence, you were living a life that was extremely hectic and pretty chaotic. QUOTE As I have outlined, you have strong personal mitigation, which I take fully into account. Have to stop there, I'm feeling rather queasy... -------------------- Regards,
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Wed, 30 Jan 2019 - 22:40
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QUOTE But your character witnesses, who have provided thoughtful and thought-provoking statements on your behalf, show that you have made substantial efforts to reform your life, with a real commitment to a Christian faith that has led you to be a mentor to others. I accept that, if you were not here, you would be on the cusp of a period of fulfilment and happiness both in pursuing a musical career and in your family life. I take all that has been said by your character witnesses into account as significant personal mitigation. Was that about her or Festus? I wasn’t aware she had a musical career. -------------------- Moderator
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Wed, 30 Jan 2019 - 22:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
........Have to stop there, I'm feeling rather queasy... I particularly was taken with the line "and you have become a role model for many young black women who have been inspired by your...." Yup, inspired to lie, cheat and deceive to evade any responsibility and if copped for it, keep going and still blame others. What ever happened to accepting responsibility for your own actions. FFS, she sat down with an investigator and stuck to her guns that the information on the NIP was true. That was the point when whether or not she acted deliberately earlier became irrelevant. She chose at that point to actively participate in a scam and to try to bull it out. QUOTE But your character witnesses, who have provided thoughtful and thought-provoking statements on your behalf, show that you have made substantial efforts to reform your life, with a real commitment to a Christian faith that has led you to be a mentor to others. I accept that, if you were not here, you would be on the cusp of a period of fulfilment and happiness both in pursuing a musical career and in your family life. I take all that has been said by your character witnesses into account as significant personal mitigation. Was that about her or Festus? I wasn’t aware she had a musical career. That was about Festus but it shows the same hook line and sinker that seems to have been successful |
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Wed, 30 Jan 2019 - 23:46
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-66...e-extended.html
Seems a few folk have complained...... This post has been edited by little-freddie: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 - 23:47 |
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Thu, 31 Jan 2019 - 01:46
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Similar report in the Telegraph signals that the Attorney General is actually waiting to appeal the lenient sentence
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/0...endation-widget |
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