The 'willing to go to jail to avoid speeding' thread |
The 'willing to go to jail to avoid speeding' thread |
Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 09:48
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Maybe rather than keep starting posts we can put them into one as a warning to others
Two speeding events, not his van honest guvnor, jailed for 6 months. And from the archives under the status of legendary Andy Roo (ex of this parish) Chris Huhne and the ex Mrs Huhne And a future volunteer it seems This post has been edited by The Rookie: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 09:50 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 09:48
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Sat, 16 Oct 2021 - 15:49
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...and yet a parent who knocked 10 bells out of a primary school teacher gets a suspended sentence (i.e no sentence at all)............. But a refusal to cooperate with the criminal justice system, which relies on compelling motorists to confess so that the sausage machine can process them, is far more serious than somebody having 10 bells knocked out of them. In much the same way, only the clearest conceivable language can convey Parliament's intention that a matter not be justiciable, but the principle seems to be largely absent from the considerations regarding anything else concerning fundamental rights that do not purport to usurp the powers of the courts. -------------------- Andy
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Mon, 18 Oct 2021 - 07:20
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...and yet a parent who knocked 10 bells out of a primary school teacher gets a suspended sentence (i.e no sentence at all)............. But a refusal to cooperate with the criminal justice system, which relies on compelling motorists to confess so that the sausage machine can process them, is far more serious than somebody having 10 bells knocked out of them. In much the same way, only the clearest conceivable language can convey Parliament's intention that a matter not be justiciable, but the principle seems to be largely absent from the considerations regarding anything else concerning fundamental rights that do not purport to usurp the powers of the courts. The effective conditions of keeping or using a motor vehicle on the road include identifying the driver when requested to do so. The lawful way of opting out if the conditions are not acceptable is not to keep or drive a motor vehicle on the road, and not to stamp your feet in frustration when you are asked. As I recall only one judge thought the law was unreasonable, the rest thought it logical to protect the public that providing ID of the driver when an offence was alleged was totally justified. Case over and now that old chestnut is settled. This post has been edited by TryOut: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 - 07:22 |
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Mon, 18 Oct 2021 - 19:57
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The law is the law, but the sanctimonious bollox about how refusing to confess strikes at the heart of the criminal justice system is bollox.
N.B. Not that it diminishes your point about the law being the law, but there were technically 3 dissenting judgments in O'Halloran and Francis v the UK - one which sums up the argument far better than I could, another that made the first look like it was written a a hung-over law student and the third that actually agreed with the outcome, but on the basis that motorists were not entitled to human rights. -------------------- Andy
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Tue, 19 Oct 2021 - 09:48
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An interesting case reminiscent of Huhne/Pryce. Ex Girlfriend claims she helped a police officer cover up a speeding allegation when he claimed he was unsure of the driver ID, court case ongoing. Though I would ask why, when we now see every unable to ID case tested in court, a police officer's case appears to have been dropped by the Police. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/londo...nd-b953538.html EDIT: The above now found guilty. Awaiting sentencing https://uknip.co.uk/breaking/news-271985/a-...peeding-ticket/ 18 months suspended, also lost his job and no longer a police officer. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10...voids-jail.html This post has been edited by The Rookie: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 - 09:56 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Tue, 19 Oct 2021 - 10:02
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Caught twice, named a non existent person both times, challenged the Police to prove it... so they did.
15 months suspended having pleaded guilty. 200 hours unpaid and disqualified for 18 months https://www.wscountytimes.co.uk/news/crime/...driving-3421150 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Thu, 28 Oct 2021 - 12:38
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Fri, 29 Oct 2021 - 07:54
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Driver blamed a 'made up' valeteer for speeding 8 times in his car. A total of 11 counts of PCoJ (and continued to lie to probation services despite pleading guilty).
Sentenced to 20 months. https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/car...-tickets/238939 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Fri, 29 Oct 2021 - 09:07
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Driver blamed a 'made up' valeteer for speeding 8 times in his car. A total of 11 counts of PCoJ (and continued to lie to probation services despite pleading guilty). Sentenced to 20 months. https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/car...-tickets/238939 If he's going to make up a job title rather than use an existing one, it's not surprising he was caught. Read more like an advert for RSS than a news article until I realised it was written by RSS and on their site. QUOTE A jury at Swansea Crown Court found Jason Moore guilty of perverting the course of justice after he fitted a Laser Star jamming device to a VW Transporter van to prevent a laser speed camera operator, employed by Dyfed-Powys Police, from establishing the speed of the vehicle. I had no idea that PCoJ required such specific intent. Even attempted murder isn't that specific. -------------------- Andy
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Fri, 29 Oct 2021 - 11:05
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QUOTE A jury at Swansea Crown Court found Jason Moore guilty of perverting the course of justice after he fitted a Laser Star jamming device to a VW Transporter van to prevent a laser speed camera operator, employed by Dyfed-Powys Police, from establishing the speed of the vehicle. I had no idea that PCoJ required such specific intent. Even attempted murder isn't that specific. Indeed, you would think it would have been less hassle to just slow down than going and getting a jammer fitted before daring to drive past! -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Tue, 2 Nov 2021 - 10:40
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... I would ask why, when we now see every unable to ID case tested in court, a police officer's case appears to have been dropped by the Police. Bit of a sly insinuation without data to back up. How do you know every unable to ID case is tested in court? Or what proportion? Clearly any case dropped won't be reported in press. |
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Tue, 2 Nov 2021 - 15:17
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Anecdotally, unless a driver is named the Police pass cases to court to decide on whether the relevant diligence was used or not. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Tue, 2 Nov 2021 - 16:14
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Anecdotally, unless a driver is named the Police pass cases to court to decide on whether the relevant diligence was used or not. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? The plural of anecdote is not data. I have no idea whether Police pass all such cases to court to decide. But I didn't make the claim. Burden of proof is not on me! |
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Tue, 2 Nov 2021 - 19:44
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Anecdotally, unless a driver is named the Police pass cases to court to decide on whether the relevant diligence was used or not. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? The plural of anecdote is not data. I have no idea whether Police pass all such cases to court to decide. But I didn't make the claim. Burden of proof is not on me! They don’t. What rookie is qualifying with “anecdotally” is really just a guess. Rookie not being currently or indeed ever been involved in the process is passing off his experience gained on this forum as “anecdotal”. There are more accurate descriptions but let’s just stay with guess. |
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Tue, 16 Nov 2021 - 08:33
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A rather special one, caught 28 times including 26 times in a 4 month period (I guess he felt empowered), named non existent people in response to the S172 requests.
Jailed for 12 months and disqualified for 2.5 years. https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/...-jailed-3447188 https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/news-ap...g-court-justice -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Tue, 18 Jan 2022 - 09:42
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Another giving a a strangers details in response to an S172 request for 2 offences. he named a women that doesn't own a car or even drive.
Sentenced to 14 months for a total of 6 PCoJ events, disqualified from driving for 18 months. https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news...details-police/ -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Tue, 18 Jan 2022 - 11:46
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Probable driver claimed the car photographed wasn't theirs (registered to his wife) and 'photoshopped' photos to try and support the claim. Then after admitting this tried ti claim someone else was driving (who wasn't).
6 months eating porridge! https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/19792041...eeding-offence/ -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Tue, 18 Jan 2022 - 14:16
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A strange case, the woman admitted driving in response to the NIP/S172 however when it went to court she claimed the camera was faulty as she wasn't there and produced some faked evidence she was somewhere else. Found guilty and sentenced to 4 months suspended for 18 months.
All when 69 in a 50 would have qualified for a fixed penalty which she had presumably declined. https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/...viction-3495643 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Fri, 21 Jan 2022 - 07:24
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A tangled web weaved, named an innocent person, provided a false address, then provided what seems to be a stolen driving licence as well as faked insurance documents to try and back up his story.
That he got away with just 20 weeks in prison seems rather light after all that. https://uknip.co.uk/breaking/news-277811/a-...rse-of-justice/ -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Wed, 2 Mar 2022 - 17:39
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Posed as her sister and faked her own death.
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Tue, 15 Mar 2022 - 20:40
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